Re: [ippm] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-metrics
Henk Uijterwaal <henk@uijterwaal.nl> Thu, 09 February 2012 14:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ippm] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-metrics
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Al, > Just Prior to the WGLC, Daniel Genin sent the message below > to me and the list, and I just located it in the archive: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ippm/current/msg02769.html > > In any case, the authors plan to address Daniel's comments > and issue a revised draft, hopefully this weekend. Sorry, I seemed to have missed this mail. Looking at it, section II are all typo's, section I is a useful comment but addressing it is unlikely to undo the rough consensus on this coument that we have. So, I suggest that you update the document and we submit the next version to the IESG. Henk > > regards, > Al > > > >> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:03:06 -0500 >> From: Daniel Genin <dgenin@nist.gov> >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 >> To: Al Morton <acmorton@att.com> >> CC: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [ippm] Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-metrics >> X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean >> X-NIST-MailScanner-From: dgenin@nist.gov >> >> A very lucid and well written exposition on the relevance of metric's consumer >> to the way that it should be defined. It is surprising this important point >> has not been addressed earlier. >> >> Just a couple of comments: >> >> I. In Section 5.1.2 the bulleted list item 2 appears to suggest that >> orthogonality of metrics is a desirable property, however, no explanation for >> this is given. Moreover, metrics appearing in Section 6 do not appear to be >> orthogonal suggesting that orthogonality is not a necessary property. If >> orthogonality is a desirable property in the case of delay and loss metrics >> but not in the case of raw capacity metrics this probably needs to be clarified. >> >> II. Minor grammatical corrections: >> 1. Section 5.2, Paragraph 1, line 5 "...is based a conditional >> distribution..." should probably be "...is based on a conditional >> distribution...". >> 2. Section 6.2, the first letter of the title needs to be capitalized. >> 3. Section 6.6, Paragraph 1, line 2 "...gives a the user..." should >> probably be "...gives the user..." >> 4. Section 6.6, Paragraph 2, line 1 "What ways can Utilization be >> measured..." should probably be "In what ways can Utilization be measured..." >> or "How can Utilization be measured..." >> 5. Section 7.5, Paragraph 1, line 2 "...gives a the user..." should >> probably be "...gives the user..." >> >> Hope this is useful. >> Best regards, >> Daniel >> >> On 1/7/2012 10:26 AM, Al Morton wrote: >>> At 08:37 AM 1/2/2012, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: >>>> Authors: Please update this draft. >>>> All others: please read and comment on this document so we can finish it. >>>> >>>> Henk >>> As promised, here's the update of reporting metrics where we've >>> finished section 6 based on recent measurement and reporting >>> experience. Also checked nits and the list (discussion of this >>> draft has been rather long-term, dating back many years). >>> >>> regards, >>> Al >>> >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>> directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics >>> Working Group of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : Reporting Metrics: Different Points of View >>> Author(s) : Al Morton >>> Gomathi Ramachandran >>> Ganga Maguluri >>> Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-metrics-06.txt >>> Pages : 26 >>> Date : 2012-01-07 >>> >>> Consumers of IP network performance metrics have many different uses >>> in mind. The memo provides "long-term" reporting considerations >>> (e.g, days, weeks or months, as opposed to 10 seconds), based on >>> analysis of the two key audience points-of-view. It describes how >>> the audience categories affect the selection of metric parameters and >>> options when seeking info that serves their needs. >>> >>> >>> >>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-metrics-06.txt >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ippm mailing list >>> ippm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >> >> > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk(at)uijterwaal.nl http://www.uijterwaal.nl Phone: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There appears to have been a collective retreat from reality that day. (John Glanfield, on an engineering project)
- [ippm] Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-ietf-ippm… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-ietf-… Al Morton
- Re: [ippm] Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-ietf-… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-ietf-… Daniel Genin
- Re: [ippm] Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-ietf-… Al Morton
- [ippm] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Expiration impending: draft-… Al Morton
- Re: [ippm] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Expiration impending: dr… Henk Uijterwaal