Re: [IPsec] Avoiding Authentication Header (AH)

"Panos Kampanakis" <pkampana@cisco.com> Fri, 13 January 2012 22:57 UTC

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From: Panos Kampanakis <pkampana@cisco.com>
To: 'Dan Harkins' <dharkins@lounge.org>, Tero Kivinen <kivinen@iki.fi>
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Cc: ipsec@ietf.org, "Bhatia, Manav (Manav)" <manav.bhatia@alcatel-lucent.com>
Subject: Re: [IPsec] Avoiding Authentication Header (AH)
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Agreed. Summarizes my opinion too.

Panos


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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Avoiding Authentication Header (AH)



On Thu, January 5, 2012 6:23 am, Tero Kivinen wrote:
> Bhatia, Manav (Manav) writes:
[snip]
>> If a WG ends up mandating AH (when ESP could have been used) then
>> Yes it's a problem for everyone, right from the vendors to the
>> users, who have to now support AH too in their products and
>> networks.
>
> If WG wants to mandate AH, and we cannot convince them otherwise,
> having a document which says so does not help. On the other hand if we
> have stealth WG trying to sneak AH past IPsec community, I think they
> will also conviently ignore this document too.
>
> In summary I do not think there is problem, and I do not think we need
> to say anything about AH right now.

  Indeed! I agree 100%. Me too. +1. Etc.

  Dan.


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