RE: Comments on Trunk Group ID and RE: [Iptel] getting groupconsensus on moving forward with our workitems

"Shan Lu" <shanlu@sentito.com> Mon, 15 November 2004 15:13 UTC

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From: Shan Lu <shanlu@sentito.com>
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Subject: RE: Comments on Trunk Group ID and RE: [Iptel] getting groupconsensus on moving forward with our workitems
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:08:31 -0500
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Dave,

Based on 2806bis-09, tel:;tgrp=foo is not valid. I am on the fence whether
it ought to be.

Thanks, Shan Lu

>From draft-ietf-iptel-rfc2806bis-09:

   telephone-uri        = "tel:" telephone-subscriber
   telephone-subscriber = global-number / local-number
   global-number        = global-number-digits *par
   local-number         = local-number-digits *par context *par
   <snip>
   global-number-digits = "+" 1*phonedigit
   local-number-digits  = 1*phonedigit-hex

>-----Original Message-----
>From: iptel-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iptel-bounces@ietf.org] 
>On Behalf Of David R Oran
>Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:05 AM
>To: Shan Lu
>Cc: 'list iptel'
>Subject: Re: Comments on Trunk Group ID and RE: [Iptel] 
>getting groupconsensus on moving forward with our workitems
>
>
>Is tel:;tgrp=foo not a valid tel: url?
>If not, it ought to be.
>
>On Nov 12, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Shan Lu wrote:
>
>> I support the plan to move forward with the trunk group draft. In  
>> fact, my
>> company intends to implement it.
>>
>> However, I do believe there exists a technical hole in the draft,  
>> which I
>> raised on the list before. That is, since "tgrp" is defined as a  
>> tel-uri
>> parameter, it can not exist on its own without the actual tel-uri  
>> number. In
>> the case of originating trunk group (ie. PSTN-to-IP direction), the  
>> calling
>> number may be absent. The question is then how to express 
>originating  
>> trunk
>> group.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Shan Lu
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: iptel-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iptel-bounces@ietf.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Rosenberg
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:03 PM
>>> To: list iptel
>>> Subject: [Iptel] getting group consensus on moving forward
>>> with our workitems
>>>
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> At the iptel meeting today, there was consensus in the room on
>>> plans for
>>> moving forward with various drafts. I'd like to verify that
>>> consensus by
>>> asking the list if folks are OK proceeding with the following:
>>>
>>> * Proceed to wglc on draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np once a revision
>>> appears in
>>> the archives
>>>
>>> * Proceed to wglc on
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-grou
>> p-02.txt
>> immediately following the ietf
>>
>> * adopt
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-stastny-iptel-tel-enumdi 
>> -00.txt
>> as a work item of iptel
>>
>> * do not adopt
>> 
>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rosen-iptel-dialstring-00.txt
>> as a work item. The author will take it directly to IESG as an
>> individual draft.
>>
>> * do not adopt the expired tel cpc draft
>> (http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-mahy-iptel-cpc-01.txt) as a
>> work item. If folks have a problem that they believe is addressed by
>> this work, please bring that forward in the next few weeks.
>>
>> * tgrep will go to IESG after a revision incorporating comments from
>> Cullen and the pending comments from Jonathan
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan R.
>> -- 
>> Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D.                   600 Lanidex Plaza
>> Director, Service Provider VoIP Architecture   Parsippany, NJ  
>> 07054-2711
>> Cisco Systems
>> jdrosen@cisco.com                              FAX:   (973) 952-5050
>> http://www.jdrosen.net                         PHONE: (973) 952-5000
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