Re: Scripting attacks [was Next step for draft-ietf-6man-rfc6874bis]

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 30 June 2022 00:31 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 17:30:49 -0700
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Subject: Re: Scripting attacks [was Next step for draft-ietf-6man-rfc6874bis]
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Cc: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@apple.com>, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, 6man <ipv6@ietf.org>
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Depends what they are doing for those 3500 ms. They're definitely consuming
a lot of local resources, in any case. Should a browser allow 1000 outgoing
connections from a single javascript app?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 5:06 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

> On 30. Jun 2022, at 02:03, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
> >
> > Of course, many browsers will, at this point, notify the user that "a
> tab is consuming a lot of power”.
>
> But are even 1000 parallel threads, each mostly waiting for 3500 ms,
> consuming a lot of power?
>
> Grüße, Carsten
>
>