Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.txt
"Ebalard, Arnaud" <Arnaud.Ebalard@eads.net> Mon, 14 May 2007 06:03 UTC
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Le 11 mai 07 à 23:18, David Malone a écrit : > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 02:16:41PM +0200, Guillaume Valadon / > ???????????? ???????????? wrote: >> Except some custom-made traceroute6 and KAME's implementation, I am >> not aware of such usage of RH0. What I mean here, is that deprecating > >> RH0 won't harm anyone (except some reasearchers). >> Discovering the 'return path' is a really cool feature, but the >> discussions during the last weeks proved that RH0 is not the right >> solution. Its benefit is too small comparing to the problem related >> to RH0. > > IMHO, the existance of so many traceroute looking glasses is > significant evidence that operators (not just researchers) need > intermediate point traceroute. When I use a looking glass, this is basically because my proxies prevent me to go out directly using ICMP and/or UDP and I really don't care about the position of the looking glass as far as it is available through my proxies. Probably a silly search, but anyway : a Google fight between "IPv4 looking glass" and "IPv6 looking glass" provides respectively 156 000 and 345 000 answers. As RH0 was fully available on the IPv6 Internet 2 weeks ago, my conclusion (don't hesitate to challenge me on that, guys) is simply that there is perhaps just no correlation between RH0 and looking glass, i.e. they are not used for the same purposes / by the same people. Also, from my perspective, if I want a remote traceroute via a router i control, i just log onto the router and launch it from there. And as a maintainer of a (small) network you don't control, I'm just happy you are not able to use RH0 in it. Now, a similar question as already been raised before on the list, but I'd like to ask it again more precisely : Who on that list has already used RH0 for debugging purposes, and how many times ? I don't ask about the people that "like" the mechanism or "find it fun". > I understand Itojun's suggestion that we can have a RH7 that will > allow useful source routing without the danger associated with RH0. > This sounds like a very good idea. However, realistically, I suspect > that even if the RH7 standard was fully specified tomorrow, we would > be waiting more than two years to have it implemented in production > versions of software that operators are likely to be using. yes. Likely. Cheers, a+ -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --------------------------------------------------------------------
- I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.txt Jeroen Massar
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Joe Abley
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Pekka Savola
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Ebalard, Arnaud
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Brian Haberman
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Jari Arkko
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Jeroen Massar
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Pekka Savola
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Ebalard, Arnaud
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Jeroen Massar
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Ebalard, Arnaud
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… George V. Neville-Neil
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… David Malone
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Joe Abley
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… gnn
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino 2.0
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… David Malone
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino 2.0
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Ebalard, Arnaud
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Ebalard, Arnaud
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Guillaume Valadon / ギョーム バラドン
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino 2.0
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Guillaume Valadon / ギョーム バラドン
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… George V. Neville-Neil
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… David Malone
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Tim Enos
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino 2.0
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Ebalard, Arnaud
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… David Malone
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Joe Abley
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Joe Abley
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… David Malone
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… Guillaume Valadon / ギョーム バラドン
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-jabley-ipv6-rh0-is-evil-00.t… David Malone
- Routing Header Type 0 way forward Brian Haberman