Re: MLD snooping of solicted-node multicast (Was: Re: New Version Notification for draft-halpern-6man-nd-pre-resolve-addr-00.txt

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:13:51 -0800
From: Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: MLD snooping of solicted-node multicast (Was: Re: New Version Notification for draft-halpern-6man-nd-pre-resolve-addr-00.txt
To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>, Dmitry Anipko <Dmitry.Anipko@microsoft.com>
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> From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
>To: Dmitry Anipko <Dmitry.Anipko@microsoft.com> 
>Cc: 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>; Ing-Wher Chen <ing-wher.chen@ericsson.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2014 6:36 AM
>Subject: Re: MLD snooping of solicted-node multicast (Was: Re: New Version Notification for draft-halpern-6man-nd-pre-resolve-addr-00.txt
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>On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Dmitry Anipko <Dmitry.Anipko@microsoft.com> wrote:
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>>>A more precise statement would be that the number of solicited-node groups scales linearly with the number of IPv6 addresses assigned to hosts, 
>>Agreed. And generally, number of addresses can be more than 2-3 (because of multiple prefixes, and because of multiple suffixes due to privacy extensions).
>Indeed. But in the common case of a wifi network where devices come and go frequently, you'll typically have only a link-local, a global, and one temporary address. If you use EUI-64 the link-local and the global will be on the same group.
> 
>We have recently seen issues in some APs, where they were not able to handle multiple addresses per host, because of some state maintained per host (that's not a justification that host should not have multiple addresses, but I just wanted to note that today there are issues in some cases related to that).
>>
>We should clarify that such behaviour is broken and that saying, "it works in IPv4, so we should just use DHCPv6 for address assignment so that we can force the host to have only one address" is not a solution.
>

And remind them that all interfaces are to also have link-local addresses (RFC4291), and link-local addresses are candidates for use by applications (RFC4007, RFC6724).