Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.txt
Kerry Lynn <kerlyn@ieee.org> Mon, 06 July 2015 17:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.txt
From: Kerry Lynn <kerlyn@ieee.org>
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote: > Hi, Kerry, > > On 07/06/2015 01:26 PM, Kerry Lynn wrote: > > Could you please take a look at Mark's comment and rationale, and > vice > > your opinion? > > > > He essentially argues that we should remove the "MAY" in: > > "It is RECOMMENDED by this document that future specifications do > not > > specify IPv6 address generation schemes that embed the underlying > > link-layer address in the IID. Future specifications MAY use an > IID > > based on a node's link-layer address if design and engineering > > considerations warrant." > > > > (his rationale is provided below). > > > > I'm fine with applying his suggested change, but would like to hear > your > > thoughts before applying any changes. > > > > As the lead author of > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-6lobac, I'm > > strongly in favor of retaining the option to specify IIDs based on > locally > > assigned link-layer addresses, particularly for link-local addresses. > > FWIW, this has never been under question. That is, the question is > regarding the wording, not about the intent. Based on past wg discussion > and consensus, we all agree that there must be room to go against this > advice if design/engineering tradeoffs warrant this. > > > > The first sentence in the paragraph above could be interpreted as > > recommending that authors of future proposals MUST NOT provide a > > specification for forming IIDs from link-layer addresses. The MAY > > in the following sentence makes it clear that the recommendation is > > SHOULD NOT. > > Well... a "SHOULD NOT" is a "SHOULD NOT". IF somene can read a "SHOULD > NOT" as a "MUST NOT", then we should refer them to RFC2119. I think the > issue that MARK raises is more tricky, since the MAY itself might lead > to some confusion. > > I'm afraid I was a few emails behind in the thread. I agree that Mark's proposed "Future specifications SHOULD NOT specify IPv6 address generation schemes that embed the underlying link-layer address in the IID." is clearer, although it remains silent on when it is permissible to specify such schemes (and perhaps intentionally so). Cheers, Kerry Thanks! > > Best regards, > -- > Fernando Gont > SI6 Networks > e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com > PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492 > > > > >
- I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.txt internet-drafts
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Christian Huitema
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Liushucheng (Will)
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Samita Chakrabarti
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Samita Chakrabarti
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Tim Chown
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Kerry Lynn
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Kerry Lynn
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Christian Huitema
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Alissa Cooper
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Samita Chakrabarti
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: [6lo] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iid… Fernando Gont
- RE: [6lo] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iid… Gabriel Montenegro
- Re: [6lo] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iid… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Brian Haberman
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Ralph Droms
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Ralph Droms
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Philip Homburg
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Samita Chakrabarti
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [6lo] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iid… Jonathan Hui
- RE: [6lo] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iid… Samita Chakrabarti
- Re: [6lo] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iid… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Philip Homburg
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Philip Homburg
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Brian Haberman
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Christian Huitema
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Christian Huitema
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Philip Homburg
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Philip Homburg
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Alissa Cooper
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Ralph Droms
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Samita Chakrabarti
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Jonathan Hui
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Christian Huitema
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Ralph Droms
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Kerry Lynn
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-04.t… Mark Smith