Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Thu, 23 January 2014 01:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 01/23/2014 01:23 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: > I have followed, but not commented on the perpass discussion. But I do > share the concern raised by some that pushback as a result of perpass > concerns can easily get out of hand. > > Is this a preview of what's to come? No. Nothing is out of hand. I asked to discuss Brian's discuss. > > At Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:10:35 -0800, > Stephen Farrell wrote: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> (0) Just modifying my disucss to discuss a part of Brian's discuss:-) >> I'm sure we'll sort it out easily enough though. I very much do not >> think that it'd be a good plan to store every address that has been >> generated using this algorithm. That would be making a >> privacy-enhancing feature damage privacy. See [1] for an example. > > And can you point me to the text in the draft that suggests doing so? > (Hint: the draft says no such thing.) No. And I clearly said that. "to discuss a part of Brian's discuss" clearly indicates that I am not saying that the draft says that. > Or for that mattter, who has suggested anyone do this? (Again, AFAIK, > no one has suggested this.) See Brian's discuss. If that's not what he meant (and I know the draft author also thinks it was) then it won't be a problem. If it is, we'll discuss it briefly and sort it out. I'll skip the text below. I'm sorry you're upset, but frankly I don't think your upset is at all justified. S. > > Are we in hyperbole land? Can we please get back to reality? > > Are we now going to require that all internal logs be scrubbed of > potentially sensitive material? If we think we are going to stop the > storage and recording of IP addresses on the devices that are actually > using those addresses, that is just nuts. Think this through for a > minute! > > I'm sure the IETF could say the IP stack (as part of trying to make > network connectivity work better) shouldn't store/cache addresses it > has used. And maybe as a result the stack will work a little less > efficiently but it at least won't have stored an address it recently > used... > > But then we better hope that noone bothers to look in the browser > cache, or /var/log/messages, etc. which will likely have the same > information and much much more... > > Thomas >
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- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Fernando Gont
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Simon Perreault
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Hannes Frederic Sowa
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Fernando Gont
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Fernando Gont
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Fernando Gont
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- Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-stab… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Thomas Narten
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Eliot Lear
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Fernando Gont
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Fernando Gont
- Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Brian E Carpenter
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- RE: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-… Christian Huitema
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