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Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> Wed, 27 November 2019 06:56 UTC

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From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>
To: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>
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Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion-08.txt
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I also have concerns about the fact that we are referring to consensus gained in the face to face meeting.

Does this not fly in the face of section 3.2 of RFC2418 - which states explicitly that that decisions reached during the face to to face meeting which have not been discussed on the mailing list, or are significantly different from previously arrived mailing list consensus MUST be reviewed by the mailing list?

As such, would it not be mandatory before advancing this document to poll this list for consensus as per 2418?

Thanks

Andrew


From: ipv6 <ipv6-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Fernando Gont
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:36
To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>
Cc: 6man <6man@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion-08.txt

On 22/11/19 15:58, Sander Steffann wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> What's the rationale for this document being "Informational"?
>>
>> Documenting how folks are breaking the spec?
>
> For that I think an Independent Submission is the only appropriate one. Anything in any IETF stream should either stick to existing specs or explicitly update them.

I'd be quite curious with 6man publishing a doc describing how folks are
violating a core spec (published by 6man with IETF-wide consensus) that
received such a strong push-back.

I'd assume such a document should either gain wg consensus, or it should
be published as "please don't do this".

In fact, I'm kind of surprised that we're even having this discussion.

Thanks,
--
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com<mailto:fgont@si6networks.com>
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