Re: [irtf-discuss] [arch-d] [Aid-workshop-pc] Why closed IAB workshops ? Re: Call for Papers: Workshop on Analyzing IETF Data (AID), 2021

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Mon, 30 August 2021 19:10 UTC

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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:09:38 -0400
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On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 11:57 AM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On Aug 28, 2021, at 7:21 AM, Salz, Rich <rsalz=
> 40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> >>   "Under the Chatham House Rule, anyone who comes to a meeting is free
> to use information from the discussion, but is not allowed to reveal who
> made any particular comment." [Wikipedia]
> >
> >>   Really?
> >
> > Yes, really.
>
> I can confirm that.   Also, as said here, there is only one Chatham House
> Rule, not as some have said “rules”.
>

There is even a page (gasp!) explaining both the rule and the pluralization
thereof: https://www.chathamhouse.org/about-us/chatham-house-rule

W
P.S: I've just decided that "pluralization" is my new favorite word.


>
> I actually attend a meeting at Chatham House about four years ago :-)
>
> Bob
>
>
>

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