Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG
Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Sun, 09 February 2014 03:01 UTC
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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG
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Me too. I was asking if schema was in scope. I have no particular interest in having a committee redesign a tool that works perfectly well as it is. On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote: > +1 > > I'd be more comfortable if the charter were more explicit about this; > e.g., "A set of natural-language terms and/or phrases for use in future > specifications that use JSON. This explicitly excludes schema languages and > similar formalisms." > > > On 8 Feb 2014, at 12:14 pm, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote: > > > I really want to stay away from the slippery schema slope. So I do not > think we're trying to be ABNF for JSON, because that is in fact a simple > lexical schema. In a spec sentence like this: > > > > The value of the "size" member of the top level "buffer" item MUST be a > non-negative integer. > > > > I think nomenclature means having a uniform standardised way to express > the meaning of the words between "value of" and "MUST". Perhaps something > like XPath for JSON. > > > > Disclosure: I'm not convinced this is necessary or even useful. > > > > On 7 Feb 2014 20:03, "Nico Williams" <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote: > > >> On 7 Feb 2014 17:54, "Phillip Hallam-Baker" <hallam@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > Does a 'standardized nomenclature for JSON' mean formal languages > are in > > >> > or out of scope? > > >> > > >> Don't know what you mean by Formal Languages in this context, but > schemas > > >> are clearly out of scope. > > > > > > By formal language I mean a machine readable description of the data > > > structure that specifies the tag names and the set of corresponding > values. > > > > That's schema. One (or more) schema representations for JSON would be > > nice, yes. > > > > Note that ABNF is a formal language, but not what you're after, which > > is why I would have asked the question Tim asked. > > > > Nico > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > json mailing list > > json@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json > > -- > Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ > > > > -- Website: http://hallambaker.com/
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Paul Hoffman
- [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Matt Miller
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Erik Wilde
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Barry Leiba
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Larry Masinter
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Andrew Newton
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed rechartering for the JSON WG Nico Williams