Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers
Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Tue, 27 May 2014 19:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers
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On 27 May 2014, at 19:52, Matt Miller <mamille2@cisco.com> wrote: > Is your suggestion then to leave the text as-is? Or can you provide > specific text to include? As I said, the second half of the proposed addition does add clarity: »Furthermore, an I-JSON sender MUST NOT expect a receiver to treat an integer whose absolute value is greater than 9007199254740992 as an exact value.« To be able to attach this right to the first paragraph of 2.2, maybe s/Furthermore/In particular/. Also add the suggestion to call out that 9007199254740992 is 2**53: Software which implements IEEE 754-2008 binary64 (double precision) numbers [IEEE754] is generally available and widely used. Implementations which generate I-JSON messages MUST NOT assume that receiving implementations can process numeric values with greater magnitude or precision than provided by those numbers. I-JSON messages SHOULD NOT include numbers which express greater magnitude or precision than an IEEE 754 double precision number provides, for example 1E400 or 3.141592653589793238462643383279. ➧ In particular, an I-JSON sender MUST NOT expect a receiver to treat an integer whose absolute value is greater than 9007199254740992 (i.e., that is outside the range [-2**53, 2**53], where ** stands for exponentiation) as an exact value. This then leads well into the next paragraph: For applications such as cryptography, where much larger numbers are reasonably required, it is RECOMMENDED to encode them in JSON string values. This requires that the receiving program understand the intended semantic of the value. Maybe s/where…are/where exact interchange of…is/ in there for even more clarity. Grüße, Carsten
- [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Matt Miller
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Jacob Davies
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Matt Miller
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Manger, James
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Manger, James
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Matt Miller
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Matt Miller
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Manger, James
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers John Cowan
- Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers Carsten Bormann