Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format?
Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Fri, 14 June 2013 02:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format?
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Well, JavaScript itself carries data and programs (but I repeat myself) and gets carried around in network protocols all the time. A stretch, maybe, but to say that JavaScript is the language of the web is not all that hyperbolic. We might well end up with *two* JSONs. I'd rather as much as possible end up with just one. The spec + best practices concept works for me so far. I don't really mind the compromises that actual deployments have forced on JSON, be it re: duplicate names in objects or non-Unicode content in what look like Unicode strings. I was as shocked as others for a bit, but it's passed :) Nico --
- [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Norbert Lindenberg
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- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Tony Hansen
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Markus Lanthaler
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Norbert Lindenberg
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Scope: Wire format or runtime format? Martin J. Dürst
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