[Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last call Secdir review
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2026 18:38:45 -0500
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
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Subject: [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last call Secdir review
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On Wed, Jul 01, 2026 at 01:24:08PM -1000, Richard Barnes wrote: > The security-oriented people in this discussion are not saying that the Speak for yourself. What am I, if not a "security-oriented" person? > document needs to say "You MUST require encryption". We are saying that > the document should NOT say "You MUST accept unencrypted mail". We are not > proposing adding any requirement. (I expect we agree that that would be > futile.) We are proposing removing a requirement that is in the document > now. That is NOT what the Internet-Draft says. It says that implementations "MUST be configurable to allow for receiving" unencrypted email. Nico --
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- [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… S Moonesamy
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Bron Gondwana
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Paul Wouters
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Eliot Lear
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Ken Murchison
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… John C Klensin
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Salz, Rich
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… S Moonesamy
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Martin J. Dürst
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Salz, Rich
- [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Douglas Foster