Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-knodel-e2ee-definition-07.txt> (Definition of End-to-end Encryption) to Informational RFC

Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Thu, 13 October 2022 07:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-knodel-e2ee-definition-07.txt> (Definition of End-to-end Encryption) to Informational RFC
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> On 13 Oct 2022, at 10:54, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
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> IMHO web-mail can only provide end-to-end encryption if the web-server is part of one end-point

this is not end-to-end encryption, but (reusing terminology from elsewhere) edge-to-edge encryption.

only a subset of the path taken is encrypted.