Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-gont-numeric-ids-sec-considerations-06.txt> (Security Considerations for Transient Numeric Identifiers Employed in Network Protocols) to Best Current Practice
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 21:06:46 +1100
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
To: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, last-call@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-gont-numeric-ids-sec-considerations-06.txt> (Security Considerations for Transient Numeric Identifiers Employed in Network Protocols) to Best Current Practice
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, at 20:42, Fernando Gont wrote: > FWIW, our argument is essentially that if constancy is not required in a > given context, then you should generally avoid it. i.e., > "unlinkability", where possible, should be the default. I'm not sure that this is sufficient if it means uncoordinated changes, or that that works in every context. This says nothing about cross-layer coordination or managing trade-offs at different layers. This is another reason to avoid making such strong recommendations. I sympathize with the sentiment, but as a general statement I can't support this recommendation. Capturing this as a goal and explaining the consequences of not achieving it should suffice.
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