Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-halpern-gendispatch-consensusinformational-02.txt> (IETF Stream Documents Require IETF Rough Consensus) to Best Current Practice

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sat, 25 January 2020 20:24 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 12:24:35 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-halpern-gendispatch-consensusinformational-02.txt> (IETF Stream Documents Require IETF Rough Consensus) to Best Current Practice
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 12:10 PM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
wrote:

> Rob, I can see no reason why this document would change what is or is
> not considered an end-run.
>

OK. I think the document should cite RFC 5742 in its description of the
other streams. Given your statement, I propose this edit:

   One could argue that there is a need for publishing some documents
   that the community can not agree on.  However, we have an explicit
   procedure for such publication, namely the Independent Stream.  Or,
   for research documents, the IRTF stream, which explicitly publishes
   many minority opinion Informational RFCs. RFC 5742 describes the
   IESG procedures for the handling of those streams, and this document
   introduces no new requirements to those procedures.

Editorial nits:

- The capitalization of "Stream" is inconsistent.
- typo: "the IAB SHOULD use its authorithy"

thanks,
Rob