Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-lsr-ip-flexalgo-00.txt

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> Can two nodes that run two different flex algo become ospf or isis
neighbors?

It is my understanding that those nodes always will become ospf neighbours
as you still run default topology on all of them. I have not seen a case
where flex algo topology can be enabled without default topology.

Thx,
R.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 2:14 AM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

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> Hi  Jeff
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> From a domain perspective where you have a group of nodes and associated
> IP addressed and SID are part of a discrete underlay instance flex algo
> topology.  On those same set of nodes you could have another topology and
> associated address and SIDs for a different flex algo.  How this would work
> is that the topologies would have to be segregated from each other as
> different MT instances or routing process instances.  Is that correct?
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> Can two nodes that run two different flex algo become ospf or isis
> neighbors?
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> Kind Regards
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> Gyan
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> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 6:25 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
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>> Yes, that’s the case.  The most important property of an algo computed
>> path is that is has to be consecutive, as either SID or IP address
>> associated with a particular topology is only known within that topology.
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>> Looking specifically at Ron’s draft (MPLS could be more complex due to
>> potential hierarchy) - the prefix itself defines the context(topology) and
>> must be globally unique, since IPv4 header can’t have any additional
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>> Cheers,
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>> Jeff
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>> On Oct 2, 2020, 1:15 PM -0700, Yingzhen Qu <yingzhen.qu@futurewei.com>,
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>> Hi Peter,
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>> My understanding of flex-algo is that for traffic destined to a prefix on
>> a particular algo, it can only be routed on routers belong to that algo,
>> which also means only routers in that algo calculates how to reach that
>> prefix and install it into the routing table. It seems to me that using
>> flex-algo (section 12 of the draft) it's possible to have a loopback
>> address associated with only one algo, please correct me if I'm missing or
>> misunderstood something.
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>> On 10/2/20, 9:43 AM, "Lsr on behalf of Peter Psenak" <
>> lsr-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of ppsenak=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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>> Gyan,
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>> On 02/10/2020 18:30, Gyan Mishra wrote:
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>> With SRv6 and IP based flex algo a generic question as it applies to
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>> you can certainly use multiple algorithms simultaneously and use algo
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>> thanks,
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