Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants
"Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org> Tue, 20 February 2007 18:48 UTC
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From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
To: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
Subject: Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants
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Since people's understanding of the text differs from yours, we have at least a problem in clarity of the text. I think we do have a problem. Not a huge one, since the variants are little used, but insofar as they are used, someone looking at the text of RFC and the registry should be able to tell whether en-VARIANT1-VARIANTA is the same as en-VARIANTA-VARIANT1 or not. - If they are not intended to be the same, then what is the difference between them? Which one should be used where? - If they are intended to be different, then the canonicalization should be the same, so that spurious differences can be erased in comparison. If the standard is silent on these issues, then we just have a muddle. Mark On 2/20/07, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote: > > Mark Davis scripsit: > > > Overkill compared to what? Please be more explicit. > > Compared with any other option, including doing nothing. > > > My main point was that we have a problem with multiple variants, > > I'm willing to be convinced that we have a problem, but I don't see > any problem yet. > > > because the ordering doesn't make a difference in 4646, > > There is no statement to that effect in 4646, which simply says that > multiple variants are allowed, without saying that order matters > or doesn't matter semantically. (Order does, of course, matter > to the algorithms in 4647.) > > > but we don't canonicalize to any order. > > If order matters in some particular case, we provide for it by encouraging > the use of a Prefix: field on the secondary variant that specifies the > appropriate primary variant(s). Otherwise, I don't see any reason to > fix what isn't broken. > > -- > Values of beeta will give rise to dom! John Cowan > (5th/6th edition 'mv' said this if you tried http://www.ccil.org/~cowan > to rename '.' or '..' entries; see cowan@ccil.org > http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/odd.html) > -- Mark
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- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Martin Hosken
- [Ltru] Identifying script (or global) variants Martin Hosken
- [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants Martin Hosken
- [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Martin Hosken
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Martin Hosken
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Martin Duerst
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Martin Duerst
- [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) variants Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Identifying script (or global) var… Marion Gunn