Re: [manet] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-manet-dlep-26: (with COMMENT)

"Taylor, Rick (External)" <rick.taylor.external@airbus.com> Thu, 15 December 2016 10:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [manet] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-manet-dlep-26: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Alissa,

Thank you for the review.  A few replies to your comments inline...

(Sorry for the multiple postings, but my local mailserver hates the IETF mailing lists)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:alissa@cooperw.in]
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> Subject: Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-manet-dlep-26:
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> For the Latency and Relative Link Quality metrics, it seems like
> allowing their measurement methods to be implementation-dependent
> reduces their usefulness. If two different implementations calculate
> these in different ways, then the results may not be comparable. Are
> these not meant to be compared between different destination implementations?

Yes, this is indeed a difficult issue.  The underlying concept behind DLEP is that modem implementers have their own low-level mechanisms for measuring such things as latency, and exposing these metrics to the routing layer rather than forcing the up layers to measure such things can be useful.  However, we didn't want to prescribe how a lower-layer might calculate such metrics, as we couldn't see a 'one size fits all' mechanism being useful.

When comparing metrics between destinations reported by a single modem, it is considered a safe assumption that the metrics are sensibly comparable.  When comparing metrics reported between different modems, it gets more complicated.  For metrics such as latency, it's fairly well understood what latency means.  However, for Relative Link Quality, that is by design subjective, the suggestion from DLEP is that this metric is most useful when used as a modifier to other metrics, hence the second paragraph in Section 11.18 and 11.19.

Hope that goes some way to explaining our rationale?

Regards,

Rick Taylor
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