Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for a MASQUE Protocol to Proxy IP Traffic"
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From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
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Thread-Topic: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for a MASQUE Protocol to Proxy IP Traffic"
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Subject: Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for a MASQUE Protocol to Proxy IP Traffic"
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David, I hope that we can agee on that if adopting this document at this stage there will be no implication on any of the content in document having WG consensus. I rather see that the WG would discuss the use cases and we have a document where the general content would have WG consensus when adopting it. I think adopting a document just becasue we know we are going to need it is rushing thing for the wrong reasons. I rather adopt a document in 3 months time where we are agreeing more on the content. Cheers Magnus On Fri, 2020-09-18 at 09:45 -0700, David Schinazi wrote: > Thank you for comments, Mirja, Spencer, and Magnus! > > If I may summarize them in the following bullet points: > - we should reach WG consensus on use-cases > - we should clarify the last use-case > - we should clarify which requirement relates to which use-case > > (There were also detailed comments on individual requirements that > would be better discussed on individual threads, or GitHub issues) > > I absolutely agree with these bullet points. As per our charter, the > goal of this entire draft is for us to reach WG consensus on > use-cases and requirements for IP proxying, before the WG starts > work on a solution. However, none of those comments justify > delaying adoption of the document. The call for adoption is there > to ensure there is WG interest in the draft, and that folks are willing > to review and comment - which your messages indicate! Adopting > the draft will actually facilitate answering the three points above, > since WG consensus is better reached on parts of WG documents, > as opposed to individual submissions. > > Thanks, > David > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:43 AM Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > So, just to start the discussion Magnus said we need to have (and I agree > > that we need to have it, whether before, or after, adoption), > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:27 AM Magnus Westerlund < > > magnus.westerlund=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > Which of these requirements (in > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-cms-masque-ip-proxy-reqs-01.txt) > > > > 3.1. IP Session Establishment > > 3.2. Proxying of IP packets > > 3.3. Maximum Transmission Unit > > 3.4. IP Assignment > > 3.5. Route Negotiation > > 3.6. Identity > > 3.7. Transport Security > > 3.8. Authentication > > 3.9. Reliable Transmission of IP Packets > > 3.10. Flow Control > > 3.11. Indistinguishability > > 3.12. Support HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 > > 3.13. Multiplexing > > 3.14. Load balancing > > 3.15. Extensibility > > > > belongs to each use case? > > > > > 2.1. Consumer VPN > > > 2.2. Point to Point Connectivity > > > 2.3. Point to Network Connectivity > > > 2.4. Network to Network Connectivity > > > > (I'm happy to have this conversation in Github, but Magnus said we needed to > > have it here, so I'm following his excellent leadership) > > > > Best, > > > > Spencer -- Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Networks, Ericsson Research ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Mobile +46 73 0949079 Torshamnsgatan 23 | SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------
- [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for a MA… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Ben Schwartz
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … David Schinazi
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Christopher Wood
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … David Schinazi
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … David Schinazi
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Christopher Wood
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Eric Kinnear
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Lucas Pardue
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … David Schinazi
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Ben Schwartz
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Alex Chernyakhovsky
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Tommy Pauly
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … Christopher Wood
- Re: [Masque] Adoption call for "Requirements for … David Schinazi