Re: [MBONED] [Ext] Re: ipv4 multicast address ranges, actual usage.
"Manfredi (US), Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com> Thu, 19 December 2019 19:52 UTC
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From: "Manfredi (US), Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MBONED] [Ext] Re: ipv4 multicast address ranges, actual usage.
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-----Original Message----- From: MBONED <mboned-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dave Taht > I would love to collect more feedback and bug reports regarding that before we finally gird ourselves up for the ietf gauntlet. As things stand today, although I'd really like as much feedback as possible, I do not see a problem (over a 10 year timespan) with turning 225/8-231/8 into unicast. I think this is a bad idea. It would be okay to turn those multicast blocks into private multicast blocks, like 239/8, but to make them unicast blocks is asking for trouble. And probing the Internet, and finding that they "aren’t used," won’t explain why. The fact is, whether done legally or not, networks do use 224/8 and 230/8, and likely others in that range, for internal IP multicast use, today. People don’t seem to obsess about RFC 2365 and 5771 sufficiently, it seems. So, if we think that reclaiming some of those address blocks is a good idea, then I'd say, only if the reclaimed blocks are also used for multicast! Bert
- [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actual us… Dave Taht
- Re: [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actua… Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actua… Dave Taht
- Re: [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actua… John Kristoff
- Re: [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actua… Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actua… Holland, Jake
- Re: [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actua… Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actua… Dave Taht
- Re: [MBONED] ipv4 multicast address ranges, actua… David Farmer
- Re: [MBONED] [Ext] Re: ipv4 multicast address ran… Leo Vegoda
- Re: [MBONED] [Ext] Re: ipv4 multicast address ran… Dave Taht
- Re: [MBONED] [Ext] Re: ipv4 multicast address ran… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [MBONED] [Ext] Re: ipv4 multicast address ran… Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] [Ext] Re: ipv4 multicast address ran… Manfredi (US), Albert E