Re: [MBONED] [Ext] Re: ipv4 multicast address ranges, actual usage.

"Manfredi (US), Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com> Fri, 20 December 2019 00:15 UTC

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From: "Manfredi (US), Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com>
To: Leonard Giuliano <lenny@juniper.net>
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From: Leonard Giuliano <lenny@juniper.net> 

> Well, 225/8-231/8 and 235/8-238/8 are unassigned/reserved, so there's 
nothing to reclaim since there is no valid use of it in the first place 
(ie, they are squatters).

Granted. Also, by the way, 233/8 and 234/8, squatters *that I know of*.

However, they are harmless squatters, because they use multicast. If we start introducing unicast in those address blocks, when we know these squatters exist, that won’t be harmless anymore.

> That said, I suspect there are much bigger technical issues with 
reassigning chunks of Class D space into unicast (beyond the linux source 
code).  I'm not a hw guy, but I imagine there's a lot of silicon out there 
that will not forward 224/4 packets using the unicast forwarding path.

Was wondering the same thing, but not being a hardware guy myself, I figured someone more personally impacted would pipe up. Splitting up the 1110xxxx prefix into blocks of unicast and blocks of multicast, when now the leading four bits always indicate multicast, might upset some hardware processing.

Bert