Re: [MBONED] draft-zhou-mboned-multrans-path-optimization

Cathy,

If you divorce the problem of path optimization from the problem of v6 transition, it might be worthwhile to ask the WG if there is interest.

                                             Ron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zhouqian (Cathy) [mailto:cathy.zhou@huawei.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:06 AM
> To: Ronald Bonica; mboned@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [MBONED] draft-zhou-mboned-multrans-path-optimization
> 
> Hi Ron,
> How about we changing the title to "Multicast path optimization in IPv4
> and IPv6 networks"?
> In fact, this problem not only exists in the translator case, but also
> in the pure IPv6 case.
> As I replied to Stig's comments, this idea comes from RFC4601, which
> talks about IPv4 case.
> We hope to solve similar problems in both translator and pure IPv6
> cases.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Cathy ZHOU
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:rbonica@juniper.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 2:23 AM
> To: Cathy Zhou(Qian); mboned@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [MBONED] draft-zhou-mboned-multrans-path-optimization
> 
> Cathy,
> 
> It seems wrong to use the words "transition" and "optimization" in the
> same sentence. By definition, any investment in a transition technology
> is a "throw away" investment. Once the transition is complete, the
> investment yields no return.
> 
> Do we really want to optimize a technology that:
> 
> - has not yet been fully specified
> - has not yet seen any deployment
> - should be decommissioned as soon as possible
> 
>                                            Ron
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cathy Zhou(Qian) [mailto:cathy.zhou@huawei.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:27 AM
> > To: Ronald Bonica; mboned@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [MBONED] draft-zhou-mboned-multrans-path-optimization
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> > It is possible to deploy and configure AFs to solve the problem. The
> > IPv6 router and IPv4 router mentioned in this document could be AFs.
> > But in the current AF document, the address translation and v4/v6
> > interworking are mainly discussed. Routing issues are not considered
> > yet.
> > Our document proposed a possible way to solve such routing related
> > problems.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Cathy ZHOU
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:rbonica@juniper.net]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:39 PM
> > To: Cathy Zhou(Qian); mboned@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [MBONED] draft-zhou-mboned-multrans-path-optimization
> >
> > Hi Cathy,
> >
> > At this point, can you tell me for certain that it is impossible to
> > deploy and configure AFs in a manner that will prevent the problems
> > that you are attempting to solve?
> >
> >                                                Ron
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cathy Zhou(Qian) [mailto:cathy.zhou@huawei.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:18 AM
> > > To: Ronald Bonica; mboned@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: [MBONED] draft-zhou-mboned-multrans-path-optimization
> > >
> > > Which AF behavior will pre-empt the entire issue?
> > > AF function defines v4-v6 interworking, but this draft does not
> > depend
> > > on how AF functions. It can be applied in all transition cases
> > > involving 4<->6 conversion.
> > > So I think it can be processed in parallel with AF function
> > definition.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Cathy ZHOU
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mboned-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mboned-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Ronald Bonica
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:28 PM
> > > To: mboned@ietf.org
> > > Subject: [MBONED] draft-zhou-mboned-multrans-path-optimization
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Is it appropriate to address the problems raised by draft-zhou-
> > mboned-
> > > multrans-path-optimization before the AF function has been defined?
> > > I could imagine at least one AF behavior that would pre-empt the
> > > entire issue.
> > >
> > > --------------------
> > > Ron Bonica
> > > //speaking as individual contributor
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> > >
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