Re: [mif] Call for volunteers about architecture design

Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Tue, 19 March 2013 14:34 UTC

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Le 19/03/2013 10:13, pierrick.seite@orange.com a écrit :
> Hi Alex,
>
> Except the problem of access discovery and selection, I'm not sure
> there are multiple provisioning domains issues with sequential use of
> interfaces.

I am not sure either.

If continuous sessions are needed after a handover WiFi-3G (each is in a
different provisioning domain), then Mobile IP should be used; if Mobile
IP is used then there is a routing problem at the initial setup phase
(the default route points to a tunnel interface but the HA should be
reached with a host-specific route on the real interface).

There could be advice from HA to mobile to tell it how to set up that
route (use one the real interface for reaching HA and the tunnel
interface for all other traffic).  This advice is just another kind of
advice that should be taken with precaution.

Or there could be a visual interface on the terminal to set manually the
default route and other specific routes. (was already said).

Alex


> This is something we can do with current terminal... Maybe I'm wrong
> but, anyway, I guess the architecture work will start with discussion
> on use-cases to identify what is relevant or not.
>
> Pierrick
>
>> -----Message d'origine----- De : mif-bounces@ietf.org
>> [mailto:mif-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandru Petrescu
>> Envoyé : lundi 18 mars 2013 15:58 À : Ted Lemon Cc :
>> <mif@ietf.org> Objet : Re: [mif] Call for volunteers about
>> architecture design
>>
>> Le 17/03/2013 12:51, Ted Lemon a écrit :
>>> On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Alexandru Petrescu
>>> <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This kind of problem - make one virtual interface to link all
>>>> other interfaces together, with goals such as bandwidth
>>>> augmentation, on a Mobile Router (not a Host) - is discussed in
>>>> the ITS Intelligent Transportation Systems email list
>>>> ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its
>>>>
>>>> (this is one problem being considered there, but there are
>>>> other ITS problems considered there.  And there there is
>>>> thought that MIF may consider this case - it seems not.)
>>>
>>> I think we should definitely consider this problem in the
>>> architecture discussion.   Whether it's in-scope or out of scope
>>>  is another question.
>>
>> In addition to simultaneous use of multiple interfaces for
>> bandwidth augmentation on a low-ratio egress-ingress bandwidth
>> Mobile Router (its egress bandwith is much lower than ingress
>> bandwidth),
>>
>> there is another aspect which deserves mentioning in a mif'ed Host:
>> the use of Mobile IP and handovers.  This would be such that a Host
>> to offer highly available connections - when WiFi is available use
>> WiFi, but if cellular is available then use cellular. This could be
>> a sequential use of interfaces (only one interface is used
>> exclusively), as opposed to simultaneous use of interfaces.
>>
>> The architecture aspect in  this is the difference between
>> simultaneous vs sequential use of interfaces.  This could be
>> illustrated with pictures of topology.
>>
>> This is something very complex to deal with.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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