Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks
Julien Bournelle <julien.bournelle@int-evry.fr> Wed, 16 February 2005 12:43 UTC
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From: Julien Bournelle <julien.bournelle@int-evry.fr>
To: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks
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Hi all, more comments concerning framework 1 and 2 inline: On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 10:44:19PM -0800, Alper Yegin wrote: > > Framework 1: > ------------ > Using network access AAA to deliver MIP6 configuration parameters from > the AAA server to the MN. > > MIP6 configuration is directly delivered from the AAA server to the MN > during network access AAA, in-band with the authentication (e.g., > transported by EAP or EAP methods). > > Related I-Ds: > > draft-giaretta-mip6-authorization-eap-01 > draft-le-aaa-mipv6-requirements-03 > draft-ohnishi-mip6-aaa-problem-statement-00 > > Discussion: > > The end2end transport between the AAA and the MN is the key. Use of EAP > for this somewhat network access unrelated "configuration" is not > recommended as far as I understand. One can design his own EAP method to > do that, yet that would have limited applicability. Concerning this framework, it appears that we have 2 possibilities: - define a new EAP method, the EAP server will be in charge of selecting the right method based on NAI for example. The problem is that we could have a user having the mip6 stack but who didn't want to use it. With this approach, it appears that we always configure the mip6 service. - use EAP-TLVs (draft-giaretta-mip6-authorization), the problem here is that EAP hasn't been designed for configuration. > Framework 2: > ------------ > Using network access AAA to deliver MIP6 configuration parameters from > the AAA server to the NAS. It is assumed that parameters will be > delivered from the NAS to the MN via another protocol (e.g., DHCP, PANA, > etc.) > > Related I-Ds: > > draft-chowdhury-mip6-bootstrap-radius-00 > draft-jang-dhc-haopt-00 > > Discussion: > > This is similar to NAS learning the IP address for the connected host > via RADIUS, and delivering it to the host via DHCP. > > James had a comment regarding not having to support intra-operator > interoperability. I think regardless of the deployment, interoperability > between vendors is the important. Also, I was not sure on the complexity > argument. > > 3GPP2 has already chosen this scheme. Some other SDO(s) may follow the > suit. Concerning this framework, I also see 2 possibilities: - add mip6 functionalities to exisiting applications: basically add some AVPs and mechanisms to RADIUS EAP/ Diameter EAP (if EAP is in use). This also imply some modifications to 802.1X/PANA/... - define a specific AAA application for mip6. In this case, we'll have at least two AAA applications used in the access network. The reason is that I guess we won't have only mip6 terminal. Thus the authentication agent will need a way to select the right application. The protocol used between the MN and the authentication agent will also need some modifications to handle this. -- julien.bournelle@int-evry.fr _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6
- [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aaa-ha… Basavaraj.Patil
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Yoshihiro Ohba
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Gerardo Giaretta
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Basavaraj.Patil
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Junghoon Jee
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Gerardo Giaretta
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Gerardo Giaretta
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Alper Yegin
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Yoshihiro Ohba
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… DENG, HUI -HCHIBJ
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Mayumi Yanagiya
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… John Loughney
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Julien Bournelle
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Alper Yegin
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… john.loughney
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… john.loughney
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Julien Bournelle
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Junghoon Jee
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Junghoon Jee
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Rafa Marin Lopez
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks James Kempf
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Erik Nordmark
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Mohan Parthasarathy
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… john.loughney
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… john.loughney
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Julien Bournelle
- MIP6-AAA Fwk 2 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa framework… Alper Yegin
- MIP6-AAA Fwk 3 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa framework… Alper Yegin
- Re: MIP6-AAA Fwk 3 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frame… Mohan Parthasarathy
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- Re: MIP6-AAA Fwk 2 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frame… James Kempf
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- RE: MIP6-AAA Fwk 2 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frame… Alper Yegin
- Re: MIP6-AAA Fwk 2 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frame… James Kempf
- RE: MIP6-AAA Fwk 3 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frame… Alper Yegin
- RE: MIP6-AAA Fwk 2 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frame… Alper Yegin
- Re: MIP6-AAA Fwk 2 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frame… James Kempf
- Re: MIP6-AAA Fwk 3 (was RE: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frame… Mohan Parthasarathy
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks James Kempf
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- Re: [Mip6] mip6-aaa frameworks Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… Mayumi Yanagiya
- Re: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… James Kempf
- RE: [Mip6] Consensus call: draft-giaretta-mip6-aa… john.loughney