Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and milestones
Rajeev Koodli <rajeev@iprg.nokia.com> Wed, 23 March 2005 19:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and milestones
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Hi Gabriel, gabriel montenegro wrote: > Folks, > > Thanks for the excellent exchange so far. At this point, based on what > I've > seen, I'd like to share with you how I'm seeing things. > > > MN-AR security > seems like there is sufficient interest and this item is > narrow enough to warrant further work on the SeND key > reuse method as well as to develop a AAA-based solution. > Whereas we believe there may be some IPR-issues to clarify > with the SeND based approach (in spite of Jim's interpretation) > we don't have the same clarity with respect to the AAA approach. > Please come forward with your IPR disclosures on this. This is not > optional. > > looking at 2 PS documents. > > FMIPv6 itself > I'd postpone this item given that we don't have a clear > understandiung > of what the exact relationship with DNA, CARD, 802.21 and the > forthcoming > neighborhood discovery is (and heck, there's even a proposal for > dhcp). > I'm inclined not to include it for now > until we know more, and look into it again until a few months have > gone by and we have a better grasp of the security and the discovery > portions. The former to continue here, the latter to continue > elsewhere > (e.g., mobopts). > Clearly, I am a bit surprised at this. We would work on 2 PS documents for MN - AR security but not on the spec for which those two PS documents are meant for? Also, I don't think the relationship wrt other work is unclear. DNA: works for reactive FMIP when no neighborhood information is available CARD: re-uses FMIP messages for MN - AR interaction. (This is in the CARD spec) 802.21: Provides triggers in a "Media-Independent" way. Should help FMIP. What am I missing here? I didn't hear anyone express the "lack of understanding" as you put it. But I remember Jim Kempf saying some work can be done on Neighborhood discovery in MobOpts. Also, if folks want to work on extensions of FMIP (e.g., dhcp extensions), it is up to them. That cannot be the reason to deduce that there is less clarity. -Rajeev > FMIP-over-cdma > This experimental document is a useful exercise to better understand > deployment considerations and the above issues. It's also good in > that > it encourages another SDO to seriously think about this, even if > it is > in a preliminary manner (I don't believe they have firms and urgent > deployment plans). I have heard of at least two groups of folks in > the working group interested in this. You know who you are, and you > should work together on one document. Highly desirable: go through > the > regular channels (ietf liaisons) and produce a document from 3GPP2 > on this subject. > > looking at one informational document > > MN-MAP security for HMIPv6 > I'd like to think that such an item could be included, but we do > need to see > a draft on this subject in very short order. Conceptually, it does > not seem > a much more difficult problem than MN-AR security, so depending on > how quickly > the relevant draft can be produced, this could be entertained. It > seems to me > that without this piece in place, talking about other HMIP work in > MIPSHOP > is premature (but it should continue elsewhere). Like FMIP, other > work could > be taken on later on. > > perhaps (if a first solid draft appears shortly) one PS document > > RO issues > Not clear how much of EBU is new and how much is just further > language on > rfc 3775. At any rate, it does seem like a CGA-based scheme could be > worked on (heck, the basic concept has been around for ages), using > omip as a starting point. Highly desirable: go through the ietf > channels > and using the proper liaisons obtain a message from the SDOs > reputedly > interested in this item. This document would have the precondition > for > CBA (authenticated notification of CoA change to the CN). Ideally, > we'd > have a very simple CBA scheme in place as well. Both of these > mechanism > would be optional (i.e., we're not in the business of replacing RR). > > looking at one PS document. > > > This gives us a lot already, perhaps too much: > (up to) 4 PS documents (perhaps 3) > 1 informational document > > I don't think we want to take on any more load for now. As we complete > items, we will look into it (as we are doing now). > > This may not be everybody's favorite list, but hopefully it works > reasonably well > (or at least *maximizes the distribution of unhappiness*, as Brian put > it at the plenary). > > comments? close enough, way off? > > -gabriel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mipshop mailing list > Mipshop@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop _______________________________________________ Mipshop mailing list Mipshop@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop
- [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and mil… gabriel montenegro
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Narayanan Vidya-CVN065
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Christian Vogt
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Charles E.Perkins
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Gopal Dommety
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Mohamed Khalil
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Theo Pagtzis
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Mohamed Khalil
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- [Mipshop] L2 etc. (Was MIPSHOP discussion on new … Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Christian Vogt
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Christian Vogt
- [Mipshop] Re: L2 etc. (Was MIPSHOP discussion on … James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Charles E.Perkins
- [Mipshop] Re: L2 etc. (Was MIPSHOP discussion on … Rajeev Koodli
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- The problem with CxTP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: The problem with CxTP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MIP… Charles E.Perkins
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Wassim Haddad
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Wassim Haddad
- RE: The problem with CxTP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MIP… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Christian Vogt
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Junghoon Jee
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: The problem with CxTP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MIP… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Gerardo Giaretta
- Re: The problem with CxTP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MIP… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Narayanan Vidya-CVN065
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Narayanan Vidya-CVN065
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Narayanan Vidya-CVN065
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Gerardo Giaretta
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Handover keys (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discuss… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Wassim Haddad
- RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discu… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- [Mipshop] Re: The problem with CxTP Charlie P
- RE: The problem with CxTP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MIP… Alper Yegin
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Narayanan Vidya-CVN065
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: The problem with CxTP Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: The problem with CxTP James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Narayanan Vidya-CVN065
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Gerardo Giaretta
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- RE : [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items an… Jean-Michel COMBES
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Basavaraj.Patil
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Jari Arkko
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Basavaraj.Patil
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Basavaraj.Patil
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Christian Vogt
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Christian Vogt
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Wassim Haddad
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Wassim Haddad
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Jari Arkko
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Jari Arkko
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Jari Arkko
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… James Kempf
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Christian Vogt
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… James Kempf
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Jari Arkko
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Christian Vogt
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Jari Arkko
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… gabriel montenegro
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Takeshi Ogawa
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Soliman, Hesham
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… gabriel montenegro
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… gabriel montenegro
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… gabriel montenegro
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Basavaraj.Patil
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Basavaraj.Patil
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… gabriel montenegro
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… gabriel montenegro
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Greg Daley
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… gabriel montenegro
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: RR enhancements (Was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP d… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: 3GPP2 Interest in FMIP Parviz Yegani
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Christian Vogt
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Rajeev Koodli
- RE: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Betty Lee (QA/EMC)
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) James Kempf
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… James Kempf
- 3GPP2 Interest in FMIP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHO… James Kempf
- RE: 3GPP2 Interest in FMIP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MI… Alper Yegin
- [Mipshop] Re: 3GPP2 Interest in FMIP Rajeev Koodli
- Re: 3GPP2 Interest in FMIP (was: Re: [Mipshop] MI… Parviz Yegani
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Wassim Haddad
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) Greg Daley
- Re: [Mipshop] Re: CBA (was Re: RR enhancements) JinHyeock Choi
- Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and… JinHyeock Choi
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