Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and milestones

[gabriel montenegro <[e-mail]>]

James Kempf wrote:
> Gab,
> 
> Rereading this, I'm confused about why you didn't propose to move FMIP to
> MIPSHOP for PS work, and, assuming you didn't, 

i didn't for now, based on views expressed by folks like yourself.
see my previous message to rajeev.

> why you then are proposing
> FMIP-over-CDMA2K for MIPSHOP.

i don't have clear indications as to what their interest is. but it seems like it is
preliminary at best, so involving them in such an informational document seems
fine. if they were close to starting specification work, it would be different.
we need to know where they are...

-gabriel

> 
> I believe with the security now understood that FMIP is ready for PS work
> (if not yet for PS). We're planning on doing the neighborhood discovery work
> in MOBOPTS, independently from FMIP because neighborhood discovery must work
> for 802.21 too. So that shouldn't impact how FMIP is done.
> 
>             jak
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "gabriel montenegro" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and milestones
> 
> 
> 
>>Folks,
>>
>>Thanks for the excellent exchange so far. At this point, based on what
> 
> I've
> 
>>seen, I'd like to share with you how I'm seeing things.
>>
>>
>>MN-AR security
>>seems like there is sufficient interest and this item is
>>narrow enough to warrant further work on the SeND key
>>reuse method as well as to develop a AAA-based solution.
>>Whereas we believe there may be some IPR-issues to clarify
>>with the SeND based approach (in spite of Jim's interpretation)
>>we don't have the same clarity with respect to the AAA approach.
>>Please come forward with your IPR disclosures on this. This is not
>>optional.
>>
>>looking at 2 PS documents.
>>
>>FMIPv6 itself
>>I'd postpone this item given that we don't have a clear understandiung
>>of what the exact relationship with DNA, CARD, 802.21 and the forthcoming
>>neighborhood discovery is (and heck, there's even a proposal for dhcp).
>>I'm inclined not to include it for now
>>until we know more, and look into it again until a few months have
>>gone by and we have a better grasp of the security and the discovery
>>portions. The former to continue here, the latter to continue elsewhere
>>(e.g., mobopts).
>>
>>FMIP-over-cdma
>>This experimental document is a useful exercise to better understand
>>deployment considerations and the above issues. It's also good in that
>>it encourages another SDO to seriously think about this, even if it is
>>in a preliminary manner (I don't believe they have firms and urgent
>>deployment plans). I have heard of at least two groups of folks in
>>the working group interested in this. You know who you are, and you
>>should work together on one document. Highly desirable: go through the
>>regular channels (ietf liaisons) and produce a document from 3GPP2
>>on this subject.
>>
>>looking at one informational document
>>
>>MN-MAP security for HMIPv6
>>I'd like to think that such an item could be included, but we do need to
> 
> see
> 
>>a draft on this subject in very short order. Conceptually, it does not
> 
> seem
> 
>>a much more difficult problem than MN-AR security, so depending on how
> 
> quickly
> 
>>the relevant draft can be produced, this could be entertained. It seems to
> 
> me
> 
>>that without this piece in place, talking about other HMIP work in MIPSHOP
>>is premature (but it should continue elsewhere). Like FMIP, other work
> 
> could
> 
>>be taken on later on.
>>
>>perhaps (if a first solid draft appears shortly) one PS document
>>
>>RO issues
>>Not clear how much of EBU is new and how much is just further language on
>>rfc 3775. At any rate, it does seem like a CGA-based scheme could be
>>worked on (heck, the basic concept has been around for ages), using
>>omip as a starting point. Highly desirable: go through the ietf channels
>>and using the proper liaisons obtain a message from the SDOs reputedly
>>interested in this item. This document would have the precondition for
>>CBA (authenticated notification of CoA change to the CN). Ideally, we'd
>>have a very simple CBA scheme in place as well.  Both of these mechanism
>>would be optional (i.e., we're not in the business of replacing RR).
>>
>>looking at one PS document.
>>
>>
>>This gives us a lot already, perhaps too much:
>>(up to) 4 PS documents (perhaps 3)
>>1 informational document
>>
>>I don't think we want to take on any more load for now. As we complete
>>items, we will look into it (as we are doing now).
>>
>>This may not be everybody's favorite list, but hopefully it works
> 
> reasonably well
> 
>>(or at least *maximizes the distribution of unhappiness*, as Brian put it
> 
> at the plenary).
> 
>>comments? close enough, way off?
>>
>>-gabriel
>>
>>
>>
>>
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