Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates

Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com> Tue, 27 October 2020 00:20 UTC

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From: Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates
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Going back to the original question: What do the authors view as a 
realistic timeframe for getting the draft ready for publication ?

Thanks

-- Flemming

On 10/22/20 1:54 AM, Justin Uberti wrote:
> This is currently supported in Safari iOS, and we are working to bring 
> this to Chrome Android as well.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 8:47 AM Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com 
> <mailto:roman@telurix.com>> wrote:
>
>     I would like to see if there any implementations of this draft on
>     mobile networks. I think this draft's interactions with mobile
>     network deployment scenarios, such as 464XLAT, should be examined
>     in detail before this draft is ready for publication. Also, mDNS
>     is not currently supported on Android, which represents a
>     significant portion of this draft use case, making some of the
>     implementation details a bit fuzzy. My main concern here is if the
>     mDNS name which is associated with one IP address always resolves
>     to the same IP address with the same address family when resolved
>     on the same network.
>
>     Best Regards,
>     _____________
>     Roman Shpount
>
>
>     On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:04 AM Flemming Andreasen
>     <fandreas=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org
>     <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
>
>         By publication we mean that the draft is considered to be in
>         the final ready state with no known issues, whether technical
>         or editorial. At that point, the Working Group chairs will do
>         (another) thorough review of the document, and if it looks
>         ready then ask for publication of the document, which means it
>         will be sent to the responsible Area Director for review, and
>         subsequently to the IESG for further review and eventually
>         it's published as an RFC.
>
>         Thanks
>
>         -- Flemming
>
>         On 10/21/20 10:48 AM, Youenn Fablet wrote:
>>         I am also fuzzy about what it means to publish the draft.
>>         It seems to me the document is ready for another version to
>>         be published.
>>         To produce the final version that we expect to go to
>>         validation, we should probably finish resolving the 8
>>         remaining issues and update the spec according the
>>         resolutions of these 8 issues.
>>
>>>         On 21 Oct 2020, at 16:33, Flemming Andreasen
>>>         <fandreas@cisco.com <mailto:fandreas@cisco.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         It all depends on how mature the draft is, especially in
>>>         terms of its technical content. Also, we will need a few
>>>         reviewers to look closely at the draft to see if there are
>>>         any issues the authors may not have thought of.
>>>
>>>         Cheers
>>>
>>>         -- Flemming
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 10/20/20 10:55 PM, Qingsi Wang wrote:
>>>>         Hi Flemming,
>>>>
>>>>         I'm sorry for not being familiar with the process. In
>>>>         addition to editorial revisions and addressing comments,
>>>>         are there other prerequisites for publication?
>>>>
>>>>         Thanks,
>>>>         Qingsi
>>>>
>>>>         On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:47 PM Flemming Andreasen
>>>>         <fandreas@cisco.com <mailto:fandreas@cisco.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Thanks Justin. What do the authors view as a realistic
>>>>             timeframe for getting the draft ready for publication ?
>>>>
>>>>             Cheers
>>>>
>>>>             -- Flemming
>>>>
>>>>             On 10/19/20 8:08 PM, Justin Uberti wrote:
>>>>>             New draft posted (now with -mmusic name) and waiting
>>>>>             for approval.
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:40 PM Justin Uberti
>>>>>             <juberti@google.com <mailto:juberti@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 This fell off my radar, will update the draft
>>>>>                 shortly though.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:13 AM Flemming Andreasen
>>>>>                 <fandreas=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org
>>>>>                 <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                     It looks like we have at least 5 people
>>>>>                     interested in and willing to contribute to the
>>>>>                     work. Based on this, the chairs will work with
>>>>>                     our AD on getting a new milestone added.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     I see that the current draft has expired
>>>>>                     though - can we get an updated version
>>>>>                     submitted first ?
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>                     -- Flemming (as MMUSIC co-chair)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     On 9/2/20 2:57 PM, Qingsi Wang wrote:
>>>>>>                     I am interested and willing to contribute to
>>>>>>                     this document too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Best,
>>>>>>                     Qingsi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 11:51 AM Youenn Fablet
>>>>>>                     <youenn=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org
>>>>>>                     <mailto:40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         I am interested and willing to contribute
>>>>>>                         to the document.
>>>>>>                         The proposal being implemented by various
>>>>>>                         parties, having this document be reviewed
>>>>>>                         and ironed out as much as possible is
>>>>>>                         valuable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Thanks,
>>>>>>                         Y
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         On 2 Sep 2020, at 20:09, Flemming
>>>>>>>                         Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com
>>>>>>>                         <mailto:fandreas@cisco.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         So far I've only seen 2 people
>>>>>>>                         expressing an interest in this document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         Is anybody else interested, and if so,
>>>>>>>                         are you willing to contribute and/or
>>>>>>>                         review the document ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         -- Flemming (as MMUSIC co-chair)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         On 7/31/20 12:16 AM, Roman Shpount wrote:
>>>>>>>>                         I am strongly in favor of adopting this
>>>>>>>>                         draft to MMUSIC and getting it completed.
>>>>>>>>                         _____________
>>>>>>>>                         Roman Shpount
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                         On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:33 PM Justin
>>>>>>>>                         Uberti
>>>>>>>>                         <juberti=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org
>>>>>>>>                         <mailto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>
>>>>>>>>                         wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             With the closure of rtcweb, we have
>>>>>>>>                             been advised to find a new forum
>>>>>>>>                             for
>>>>>>>>                             https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates-04,
>>>>>>>>                             and MMUSIC seems like the best home
>>>>>>>>                             for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             I believe this document is in
>>>>>>>>                             fairly good shape and should be
>>>>>>>>                             ready for last call soon. Any
>>>>>>>>                             objections to taking it on in this
>>>>>>>>                             working group?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             Justin
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