Re: [MMUSIC] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-misc-cap-00.txt

<Simo.Veikkolainen@nokia.com> Wed, 17 March 2010 12:23 UTC

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: ext Elwell, John [mailto:john.elwell@siemens-enterprise.com]
>Sent: 17 March, 2010 14:17
>To: Veikkolainen Simo (Nokia-D/Helsinki); mmusic@ietf.org
>Subject: RE: [MMUSIC] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-misc-cap-00.txt
>
>Simo,
>
>Thanks. However, there is no mention in the minutes about making it a
>work item. Furthermore, looking at the minutes for draft-boucadair-
>mmusic-ccap it clearly states there was no consensus. In particular the
>minutes state some unanswered questions, including comparison of the
>ccap solution with re-using ICE. So I am interested in how we got from
>this very inconclusive situation to adoption of the present work item. I
>have been unable to find anything in the post-Stockholm mailing list
>archives or the Hiroshima minutes.

It indeed seems that the Stockholm minutes do not say anything about the adoption as WG item. However, I double-checked right after the meeting with the chairs whether my understanding about adoption was correct, and got a confirmation. Maybe Jean-Francois could comment on this.

Simo

>John
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Simo.Veikkolainen@nokia.com
>> [mailto:Simo.Veikkolainen@nokia.com]
>> Sent: 17 March 2010 11:59
>> To: Elwell, John; mmusic@ietf.org
>> Subject: RE: [MMUSIC] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-misc-cap-00.txt
>>
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org
>> [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>> >Of ext Elwell, John
>> >Sent: 17 March, 2010 10:40
>> >To: mmusic@ietf.org
>> >Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D
>> ACTION:draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-misc-cap-00.txt
>> >
>> >Can somebody please point me at the email thread that led to
>> adoption of
>> >this as a work item?
>>
>> Hello,
>> This was discussed and adopted as WG item already in
>> Stockholm meeting. We had a long discussion with the authors
>> of draft-boucadair-mmusic-ccap to align our work which is why
>> the submission as WG item comes so late.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Simo
>>
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >John
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org
>> >> [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
>> >> Sent: 16 March 2010 22:15
>> >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
>> >> Cc: mmusic@ietf.org
>> >> Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-misc-cap-00.txt
>> >>
>> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> >> directories.
>> >> This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia
>> >> Session Control Working Group of the IETF.
>> >>
>> >> 	Title		: Miscellaneous Capabilities
>> >> Negotiation in the Session Description Protocol (SDP)
>> >> 	Author(s)	: M. Garcia-Martin, S. Veikkolainen, R. Gilman
>> >> 	Filename	: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-misc-cap-00.txt
>> >> 	Pages		: 17
>> >> 	Date		: 2010-3-1
>> >>
>> >>    SDP has been extended with a capability negotiation mechanism
>> >>    framework that allows the endpoints to negotiate transport
>> >> protocols
>> >>    and attributes.  This framework has been extended with a Media
>> >>    capabilities negotiation mechanism that allows endpoints
>> >> to negotiate
>> >>    additional media-related capabilities.  This negotiation
>> >> is embedded
>> >>    into the widely-used SDP offer/answer procedures.
>> >>
>> >>    This memo extends the SDP capability negotiation
>> framework to allow
>> >>    endpoints to negotiate a number of miscellaneous SDP
>> capabilities.
>> >>    In particular, this memo provides a mechanism to negotiate media
>> >>    titles ("i=" line for each media), connection data
>> ("c=" line), and
>> >>    media bandwidth ("b=" line).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-misc
>> >> -cap-00.txt
>> >>
>> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
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