Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt
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All I'd like to support not adding any new dependencies to the miscellaneous-caps draft. The proposed new text below seems OK, even thugh I personally like the existing text better. This draft has been on the 3GPP depenceny list for years, and we need the draft completed. thanks /atle ________________________________ Atle Monrad 3GPP CT Chairman Standardization and Regulation, Group Function Technology and Portfolio Management Ericsson -----Original Message----- From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stach, Thomas Sent: 13. mars 2013 14:18 To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Simo.Veikkolainen@nokia.com; mmusic@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt Mohammed, I think it is not acceptable to mention altc in the example. If I recollect correctly, the intention of the text is to specify that ICE MUST be preferred over 'ccap' for IPv4/v6 address negotiation. If we add 'altc' as another example it basically means that the proprietary 'altc' is preferred over 'ccap'. I don't think that a standards track RFC should give the message that proprietary is preferred. Based on this issue I think the current text in the draft does not work. I would explicitly mention the relation of ICE and 'ccap'. The relation to other mechanism such as 'altc' needs to be treated in hte specification of that mechanism. Thus I propose to rephrase to: If an offerer has implemented Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) [RFC5245] and the 'ccap' attribute it MUST use ICE to select between different connection addresses (e.g. "IP4" and "IP6" or different IP addresses within the same IP address family). Regards Thomas > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > [mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2013 13:40 > An: Stach, Thomas; Simo.Veikkolainen@nokia.com; mmusic@ietf.org > Betreff: RE : [MMUSIC] I-D Action: > draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt > > Dear Thomas, > > I'm not proposing to change the existing behavior; I'm just asking > whether it is acceptable to add an additional example to the one > already cited in the text. > Wouldn't that be acceptable? > > You can propose to add another example if you have any in mind. > > Cheers, > Med > > ________________________________________ > De : Stach, Thomas [thomas.stach@siemens-enterprise.com] > Date d'envoi : mercredi 13 mars 2013 17:57 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed > OLNC/OLN; Simo.Veikkolainen@nokia.com; mmusic@ietf.org Objet : AW: > [MMUSIC] I-D Action: > draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt > > Mohammed, > > I think you have draft-boucadair-mmusic-altc in mind. > This is an individual submission intended to document some > proporietary mechanism. > I don't think we should make restrictions in a standards track > document in support of proprietary mechanisms. > Otherwise I could also think of additional proprietary stuff that > could be mentioned as well. > > > Regards > Thomas > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] Im > > Auftrag von mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2013 11:20 > > An: Simo.Veikkolainen@nokia.com; mmusic@ietf.org > > Betreff: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: > > draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt > > > > Hi Simo, > > > > The document says: > > > > The 'ccap' attribute MUST NOT be used in > > situations where an existing mechanism (such as Interactive > > Connectivity Establishment (ICE) [RFC5245]) can be used to select > > between different connection addresses (e.g. "IP4" and "IP6" or > > different IP addresses within the same IP address family). > > > > Would it be possible to change it to the following: > > > > NEW: > > > > The 'ccap' attribute MUST NOT be used in > > situations where a mechanism (such as Interactive > > Connectivity Establishment (ICE) [RFC5245] or [ALTC]) is used to > > select > > between different connection addresses (e.g. "IP4" and "IP6" or > > different IP addresses within the same IP address family). > > > > > > Thanks. > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > > > >-----Message d'origine----- > > >De : mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] De la > > >part de Simo.Veikkolainen@nokia.com Envoyé : mercredi 13 mars 2013 > > >16:09 À : mmusic@ietf.org Objet : Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: > > >draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt > > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >We just submitted a new version of the miscellaneous-caps draft, > > >with text that states that if the connection data capability > > >attribute (a=ccap) is used the port number in the resulting SDP > > >MUST be the same as in the original "m=" line, except for PSTN type > > >bearers (when the port number used is 9). > > > > > >Regards, > > >Simo > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On > > >Behalf Of ext internet-drafts@ietf.org > > >Sent: 13. maaliskuuta 2013 15:39 > > >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > >Cc: mmusic@ietf.org > > >Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: > > >draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt > > > > > > > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > >directories. > > > This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session > > >Control Working Group of the IETF. > > > > > > Title : Miscellaneous Capabilities > > >Negotiation in the Session Description Protocol (SDP) > > > Author(s) : Miguel A. Garcia-Martin > > > Simo Veikkolainen > > > Robert R. Gilman > > > Filename : > > >draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps-04.txt > > > Pages : 21 > > > Date : 2013-03-13 > > > > > >Abstract: > > > SDP has been extended with a capability negotiation mechanism > > > framework that allows the endpoints to negotiate > > transport protocols > > > and attributes. This framework has been extended with a media > > > capabilities negotiation mechanism that allows endpoints to > > >negotiate > > > additional media-related capabilities. This negotiation > > is embedded > > > into the widely-used SDP offer/answer procedures. > > > > > > This memo extends the SDP capability negotiation > > framework to allow > > > endpoints to negotiate three additional SDP capabilities. In > > > particular, this memo provides a mechanism to negotiate > bandwidth > > > ('b=' line), connection data ('c=' line), and titles > > ('i=' line for > > > each session or media). > > > > > > > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscella > > >neous-caps > > > > > >There's also a htmlized version available at: > > >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscellaneous-caps > > >-04 > > > > > >A diff from the previous version is available at: > > >http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-miscella > > >neous-caps-04 > > > > > > > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >mmusic mailing list > > >mmusic@ietf.org > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic > > >_______________________________________________ > > >mmusic mailing list > > >mmusic@ietf.org > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mmusic mailing list > > mmusic@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic > > > _______________________________________________ mmusic mailing list mmusic@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic
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- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Simo.Veikkolainen
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Stach, Thomas
- [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Atle Monrad
- [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-m… mohamed.boucadair
- [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… DOLLY, MARTIN C
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Andrew Allen
- [MMUSIC] RE : RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Atle Monrad
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmu… Andrew Allen
- [MMUSIC] RE : RE : RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mm… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmu… Simo.Veikkolainen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmu… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmu… Simo.Veikkolainen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Jonathan Lennox
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmu… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Flemming Andreasen
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- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Jonathan Lennox
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Andrew Allen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Andrew Allen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Simo.Veikkolainen
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mi… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Andrew Allen
- Re: [MMUSIC] RE : I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-s… Flemming Andreasen