Re: [Mtgvenue] Martin Vigoureux's Yes on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-15: (with COMMENT)

Pete Resnick <> Tue, 05 June 2018 19:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Martin Vigoureux's Yes on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-15: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Martin,

Thanks for the comment.

Just so we have the context, here's the text in section 2.1:

       2.  Avoid meeting in countries with laws that effectively exclude
           people on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual
           orientation, national origin, citizenship, or gender 

In some contexts, "race" is not completely contained in "ethnicity" 
(sometimes also called "ethnic origin"), and certainly not vice-versa. 
The UN Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights uses both terms 
in their definition:

"Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, whatever our 
nationality, place of residence, sex, national or ethnic origin, colour, 
religion, language, or any other status."

"The principle applies to everyone in relation to all human rights and 
freedoms and it prohibits discrimination on the basis of a list of 
non-exhaustive categories such as sex, race, colour and so on."


I've seen other formulations of the list. I don't think there's a 
problem to add "ethnicity" to the list in this document.


On 5 Jun 2018, at 7:41, Martin Vigoureux wrote:

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> please forgive me for raising the following point, especially because 
> I haven't
> participated in nor followed the discussions on that draft, but I 
> would much
> prefer if "ethnicity" was used instead of "race".
> Martin