Re: [dnsext] perhaps we should reintroduce "resimprove"

"W.C.A. Wijngaards" <wouter@nlnetlabs.nl> Fri, 10 February 2012 09:17 UTC

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Hi Stephane,

On 02/10/2012 09:44 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> It seems to me that this draft does not currently address the ghost
> domain problem. It mandates revalidation at the parent when the
> records expire, but it does not say anything about the rules that
> allow an authoritative server to overwrite the old TTL with a new
> value, thus preventing expiration.
> 
> Would it be a better idea to use this draft as a starting point to
> work on the issues proposed by the ghost domains paper? (Replacing >=
> by > in the credibility rules and other measures.)

This replacement is wrong.  We must have '=' in >= to pick up zone
changes from the same server.  We must have revalidation at the parent
for the ghost-domain problem, it is simply a case of having the NS TTL
expire (i.e. meaning, the NS RRset can be replaced with a newer one but
the NS TTL does not increase).

Best regards,
   Wouter
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