Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hidden

tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> Fri, 05 April 2019 10:48 UTC

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From: tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>
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Subject: Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hidden
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com>;
To: <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>;
Cc: <netconf@ietf.org>;
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 6:46 PM

> Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>; wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:23:23PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > We have always said no, but the reasoning is unclear.  What are
the
> > > specific objections and is there anyway to alleviate them?
> > >
> >
> > If editing of all configuration can be done with a single edit-data
> > (or edit-config) operation, you simplify the world and you enable
> > generic implementations.
> >
> > Once you build silos of data that can only be manipulated with
special
> > purpose operations, you say goodbye to the idea of generic client
> > libraries.
>
> And you can no longer create all required config in one transaction;
> you have to split it into sending multiple special-purpose actions.
> Perhaps also in a certain order, that you have to figure out somehow,
> since config might have refererences to other partf of the config
> etc.
>
> You can no longer restore a backup with just a copy-config.

Which is exactly what I have seen customers - think military - do.

Security-related information - userid, passwords, second factor , ...-
MUST NOT be backed up like everything else - special procedures -
authentication, encryption -  must be used.

This is security - it matters.

Tom Petch

> So I don't think the reasoning is unclear at all.
>
> /martin
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