Re: [Netconf] Solicit comments on inline action capability for NETCONF

Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> Tue, 17 July 2018 14:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Netconf] Solicit comments on inline action capability for NETCONF
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On 17/07/2018 09:25, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 08:08:47AM -0400, Robert Wilton wrote:
>> Hi Qin,
>>
>> Having read this draft, I can understand what the draft is proposing, but I
>> don't currently understand why this is useful. Specifically, I don't find
>> the example that is in the draft as compelling.  If the desire is to set the
>> MTU and enable the interface as one configuration operation, then wouldn't
>> the client just configure both mtu and enabled leaves at the same time.  Why
>> is a separate action required here to enable the interface?
>>
> I have asked myself the same question multiple times. ;-)
>
> If people want engineer transactions consisting of multiple
> operations, then they should do this for combinations of _arbitrary_
> operations. At the end, edit-config is just an operation like
> edit-data or any other operation.
I agree.

> Personally, I do not think heavy weight transactions is the way to go
> but if people want to engineer this, please make the solution at least
> generic and not bound to edit-config or something like that.
I also agree to both points.

Thanks,
Rob

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