Re: [Netconf] In an update, when is a delete a delete?

Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> Sat, 20 May 2017 17:06 UTC

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From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 10:06:29 -0700
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To: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>, Alexander Clemm <alexander.clemm@huawei.com>, Netconf <netconf@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] In an update, when is a delete a delete?
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On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <
j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 07:17:27AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote:
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <
> > j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 02:36:44PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I guess I like option #4 (allow data filters on static data, say
> SHOULD
> > > NOT
> > > > use on dynamic data)
> > > > The solution seems too complicated if there is a need for "I am still
> > > here,
> > > > but I am not being reported" .
> > > > Especially since that means "still here in your custom view of
> things",
> > > not
> > > > "still here in the device".
> > > >
> > >
> > > What is 'static data'?
> > >
> >
> > Data you do not expect to change, like if:type.
> >
>
> Until I swap the line card...
>
> Anyway, if you propose 'allow data filters on static data', then there
> needs to be some reasonably precise definition of 'static data'.
>
>
That may be a deployment choice, so it is hard to define.
I do not object to option (2). I just prefer (4).

/js
>

Andy


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