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Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8342 (5514)

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Sun, 07 October 2018 17:09 UTC

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Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 19:09:07 +0200
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8342 (5514)
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On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 09:49:57AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote:
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> Can somebody explain the rationale for the highlighted text from 5.3.4?

Note the difference between "applies to" and "carries". A non-presence
container has no relevance for configuration and hence an origin value
does not *apply* to a non-presence container. Still, a non-presence
container can *carry* an origin attribute.

> There are many top-level configuration NP-containers defined already.
> It is clearly more efficient to have 1 origin attribute in the top-level
> container than in each of the child nodes.

There is no requirement to produce efficient encodings. This is up to
implementations, the cost of calculating a minimal encodings may be
high for systems that like to stream information. That said, even
toplevel origin attributes are not sufficient to guarantee an
efficient encoding. If most child nodes have an origin different than
what is stated in the toplevel container, you gain little.

The requirement really is that an origin must be defined for all
configuration data nodes (except np-containers). The way how this
is done	is up to implementations. If implementations want to set
default	origins	at the toplevel, so be it.

/js

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