Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and draft-ietf-netmod-iana-timezones-03
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Fri, 31 January 2014 20:51 UTC
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 21:50:59 +0100
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and draft-ietf-netmod-iana-timezones-03
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On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:40:42PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 05:45:32PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > I think you do have a valid point. It is probably be better to have > > > one fixed version of the enumeration standardized. But the problem is > > > how this module would be maintained. Apparently the database changes > > > too often for being maintained in RFCs. And there also seems to be > > > a political dimension to it that I don't think we are prepared to > > > handle. And if we simply publish an RFC with the current version of > > > the names from the database, what does it mean that the > > > IANA-maintained db differs? > > > > > > > I completely fail to understand which value an RFC with an almost > > immediately outdated list of TZ names has. > > I don't think it is "immediately outdated". Locations are rarely added and > removed. The numbers I recall indicate a certain chance it comes out of the whole process already outdated. But even if it takes a year, the value is rather questionable. > > I would then rather prefer > > to code my manager to use my local list and be prepared that names can > > be rejected. > > I expect this to work reasonably well in practice. But the point is > that you don't know if a value will be accepted or not. So what? I believe we will see other leaf where you can't predict for 100% that the value will be accepted. If we continue to strive for a perfect world, we will never ever achieve anything. I really doubt setting the timezone name is the biggest interoperability problem to solve. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
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- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] Fwd: consensus all: timezone-locatio… SM
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… David Spakes
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and… Thomas Nadeau