Re: [netmod] consensus all: timezone-location and draft-ietf-netmod-iana-timezones-03

[Andy Bierman <[e-mail]>]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Martin Bjorklund <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Ladislav Lhotka <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:02, Thomas Nadeau <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >     I would like to call consensus on this matter. I've received %100
> > >     supporting comments for the proposal from the WG with no one not
> liking
> > >     the proposal. The only comments received were from Martin and
> >
> > You must have missed my comments, so let me say I don't like the
> proposal. I
> > think we are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
>
> I think you do have a valid point.  It is probably be better to have
> one fixed version of the enumeration standardized.  But the problem is
> how this module would be maintained.  Apparently the database changes
> too often for being maintained in RFCs.  And there also seems to be
> a political dimension to it that I don't think we are prepared to
> handle.  And if we simply publish an RFC with the current version of
> the names from the database, what does it mean that the
> IANA-maintained db differs?
>
>
The YANG enumeration is supposed to reflect the TZ database
and IANA is the naming authority for that database.  This YANG
module cannot be the authoritative source of TZ names.
A "snapshot" removes IANA as the naming authority,
and that was never the intent.



> /martin
>


Andy


>
>
>
> >
> > Lada
> >
> > >  Benoit with regard to enhancing the description around the
> timezone-name
> > >  typedef.  Document editors, please take those two comments into
> account and
> > >  make the changes necessary. You might want to propose the text on the
> list
> > >  before publishing as it should be a fairly minor change, but just to
> make
> > >  sure it covers the comments received.
> > >
> > >     --Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>    Netmod WG:
> > >>
> > >>    The working group chairs have considered the discussion concerning
> > >> the timezone-location leaf in draft-ietf-netmod-system-mgmt-10 and
> > >> draft-ietf-netmod-iana-timezones-03. In particular, we would like
> > >> like to call consensus on the matter regarding that surfaced during
> > >> the IETF last call with regard to the the practicability of
> maintaining a
> > >> YANG module with an enumeration of timezone names. We believe there is
> > >> consensus in the working group to move forward with the following
> > >> resolution:
> > >>
> > >> - The YANG module in draft-ietf-netmod-system-mgmt-11 gets
> > >> extended to introduce a new typedef for timezone names, e.g.
> > >> something that looks like:
> > >>
> > >> typedef timezone-name {
> > >>   type string;
> > >>   description
> > >>    "A timezone name as used by the Time Zone Database, sometimes
> > >>     referred to as the 'Olson Database'.";
> > >>   reference
> > >>    "RFC 6557: Procedures for Maintaining the Time Zone Database";
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> The timezone-location leaf will be changed to use this type,
> > >> the import of iana-timezones will be removed and the references
> > >> to I-D.ietf-netmod-iana-timezones will be removed.
> > >>
> > >> - The draft-ietf-netmod-iana-timezones-00 document will be pulled
> > >> back and work on this draft will stop.  The I-D is declared dead.
> > >>
> > >> - Since there is nothing to do for IANA, there will be no IANA request
> > >> needed in this regard for draft-ietf-netmod-system-mgmt-11.
> > >>
> > >>    We note that further alternatives can be added to the timezone
> > >> choice in the future should the two mechanisms currently in place
> > >> turn out to be insufficient in practice.
> > >>
> > >>    We would like to give the WG sufficient time to raise any
> additional
> > >>    concerns or
> > >> issues with regard to this issue and our path for resolving the issue
> at
> > >> hand, and so we
> > >> will accept comments/discussion on this matter until 8AM EDT on
> Tuesday,
> > >> January 28, 2014.
> > >> As Juergen has been closely involved with the matter, I will
> adjudicate any
> > >> issues
> > >> arising from this comment period.
> > >>
> > >>    Thanks,
> > >>
> > >>    Tom
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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