RE: [newtrk] Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic
<john.loughney@nokia.com> Tue, 12 July 2005 05:02 UTC
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Subject: RE: [newtrk] Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic
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Henning, > > No, lack of action by the community to request moving documents to > > Historic. > > There seem to be a number of these housekeeping tasks that have almost > no benefit to the individual, have increasing costs and ever longer-term > commitments and thus, not surprisingly, don't get done on a regular > basis. Promotion and demotion of standards are prime examples, reviewing > is another. > > Besides appealing to community spirit, other organizations deal with > that by deputizing individuals that get recognized for doing this type > of work in general, in one way or the other. This can take the "New > York's Strongest" (Dept. of Sanitation) or the "XYZ > secretary" approach. > > In many cases, people do unpleasant or boring or no-immediate-reward > tasks in hope of getting promoted later - this is why I suggested WG > secretaries earlier and maybe why having elected IESG secretaries or the > IETF Dept. of Public Works ("just leave your old standards at the curb") > might be needed. Have you seen draft-ietf-newtrk-cruft-00? It proposes something along these lines. John . newtrk resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/index.html
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