Re: [newtrk] Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

"C. M. Heard" <heard@pobox.com> Tue, 12 July 2005 15:40 UTC

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> john.loughney@nokia.com wrote:
> > Its past the new draft cut-off, but if the RFC Editor was
> > willing & a Tools Team member was willing (& at least a few
> > people thought it was useful) perhaps we (together) could
> > mock-up an improved RFC Index.
> 
> Can't be done until this WG gets its act together about whether
> STD means anything and whether a new PS really supersedes an
> ancient S. Example:
> 
> 0822 Standard for the format of ARPA Internet text messages. D.
>      Crocker. Aug-13-1982. (Format: TXT=109200 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC0733)
>      (Obsoleted by RFC2822) (Updated by RFC1123, RFC1138, RFC1148,
>      RFC1327, RFC2156) (Also STD0011) (Status: STANDARD)
> 
> This is *accurate* and accurately reflects the confusion in our
> process. It is simultaneously a Standard and obsoleted by a PS.
> Go figure :-)

Yet another reason to adopt a one-step standards process!

//cmh

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