Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 14 October 2004 17:49 UTC
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:07:55 -0700
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com>, scott bradner <sob@harvard.edu>, newtrk@lists.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call
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--On 14. oktober 2004 08:58 -0400 Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > >> consider this question >> "should this working group develop process(es) with the aims >> described in the ID draft-ietf-newtrk-cruft-00.txt?" > > I'll go against the grain with a "no" vote. > > I am not against the idea of moving documents that shouldn't be on the > standards track to Historic, but I don't see any reason why we need a WG > to develop processes to do that. Nor do I understand why we need an > officially constituted committee. > > It is my opinion that if the main advocates of this work had chosen to > spend their time and effort doing the actual work of moving crufty drafts > to Historic instead of arguing about an official "procedure" for doing > it, we'd be done now. If Eliot, by himself, had come up with a writeup to the IESG proposing to move 100 documents to Historic, without having had an IETF discussion that such was a good idea, would you have supported the action unconditionally? Would the rest of the IESG? I HOPE this is a rhetorical question - large shifts in how the IETF does business need community review before we put them into practice. Harald . newtrk resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/index.html
- RE: [newtrk] a crufty last call Larry Masinter
- [newtrk] a crufty last call scott bradner
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Eliot Lear
- RE: [newtrk] a crufty last call john.loughney
- RE: [newtrk] a crufty last call Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB)
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Susan Harris
- Timing (Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call) Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [newtrk] a crufty last call Christian Huitema
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Kurt D. Zeilenga
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Paul Hoffman / VPNC
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call David Meyer
- Re: Timing (Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Eliot Lear
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Alex Rousskov
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] a crufty last call Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [newtrk] a crufty last call Larry Masinter
- RE: [newtrk] a crufty last call john.loughney
- RE: [newtrk] a crufty last call Pekka Savola