Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor Versions, Extended Attributes, and ACLs / Umask - Ends Dec 2nd 2016

spencer shepler <spencer.shepler@gmail.com> Wed, 07 December 2016 18:58 UTC

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From: spencer shepler <spencer.shepler@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:58:36 -0800
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Subject: Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor Versions, Extended Attributes, and ACLs / Umask - Ends Dec 2nd 2016
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Even though David responded, the question is for the document authors.

My apologies for being opaque about "stable reference".

The  POSIX-1003.1e normative reference makes it appear that it is a Posix
standards document while in the content of the reference it does state
"withdrawn" - confusing.

The other problem is that I cannot quickly locate a copy of that document
and if it is going to be a normative reference then it needs to
be reasonably available.

I understand that it is a defacto standard at this point given the
implementation.

My main point is that if it is going to be a reference a target needs to
exist and the naming should likely be changed to remove the implication
that it is a Posix standard.

As mentioned, if the reference is not needed based on the contents of the
I-D, then the I-D can be reworded and references removed or changed.

Spencer

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:43 AM, David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure about the mechanics of providing a "stable" reference.
> Certainly that specific draft is not subject to change.
>
> An interesting alternative would be a reference based on
> https://linux.die.net/man/5/acl.   I'm not sure about copyright issues
> that might arise in creating a stable reference based on this material,
> but note that Andreas is listed as the author of that man
> page :-)
>
> There's a lot of work for lawyers involved in issues like this.  That
> doesn't bother me as much as it used to now that my
> daughter is in law school.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Spencer Shepler <sshepler@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bruce,
>>
>>
>>
>> For the umask I-D, there is a normative reference for "POSIX 1003.1e
>> Withdrawn Draft 17".
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, without a stable reference, we will need to remove that
>> from the document.  Do you have an alternative document that provides the
>> needed background or is this needed in the I-D?
>>
>>
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nfsv4 [mailto:nfsv4-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Spencer
>> Shepler
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 2:00 PM
>> *To:* NFSv4 <nfsv4@ietf.org>
>> *Subject:* [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor Versions,
>> Extended Attributes, and ACLs / Umask - Ends Dec 2nd 2016
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the announcement of the working group last call for the 3 working
>> group drafts listed below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Accounting for the review of 3 documents and the upcoming US holiday, the
>> last call will end on Dec 2nd 2016.
>>
>>
>>
>> If more time is needed for review, let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please provide comments and review feedback to the authors of these
>> documents.  Substantive comments or feedback should include the working
>> group alias.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>>
>> Rules for NFSv4 Extensions and Minor Versions (
>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-nfsv4-versioning-07.txt
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fid%2Fdraft-ietf-nfsv4-versioning-07.txt&data=01%7C01%7Csshepler%40microsoft.com%7Cc1092553ded943ce3bd708d409b4e049%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=n6i4%2BiJnf8qUycmjSRQQkrR3zd0%2BCNb2XK292W6dMok%3D&reserved=0>
>> )
>>
>> File System Extended Attributes in NFSv4 (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft
>> -ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-03.txt
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fid%2Fdraft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-03.txt&data=01%7C01%7Csshepler%40microsoft.com%7Cc1092553ded943ce3bd708d409b4e049%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=sRUZotSPwf89NbIaX72aS4e9wCJT%2B2CcBse9GT0iNBE%3D&reserved=0>
>> )
>>
>> Allowing inheritable NFSv4 ACLs to override the umask (
>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-nfsv4-umask-02.txt)
>>
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