[Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] comments on draft‑mlichvar‑ntp‑ntpv5‑03
Ulrich Windl <Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de> Wed, 24 November 2021 11:37 UTC
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Subject: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] comments on draft‑mlichvar‑ntp‑ntpv5‑03
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>>> Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com> schrieb am 24.11.2021 um 09:53 in Nachricht <YZ39jGBrF+zeiYm3@localhost>: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 08:32:09AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote: >> I wonder: Up to NTPv3 floating‑point math was avoided, but starting in NTPv4 >> floating‑point math is used. > > That is up to the implementation. The specification doesn't require > floating‑point math, but it is easier to implement if you can use it. > >> If so, are those many special fixed‑point formats justified (outside of >> packets)? > > For internal calculations, you could keep everything in the 64‑bit > format. Even in the NTPv5 packet we could do that, if we don't mind > wasting 16 octets per packet. The specification would certainly be > simpler. > > I implemented recently some of the NTPv5 ideas in chrony in an > experimental extension field. I noticed there is a minor compatibility > issue with the proposed time32 format and NTPv4. The maximum value is > not really 16, but slightly less than that. That means it cannot reach > the MAXDISP value from RFC5905. To avoid having to work with two > different MAXDISP values, we could specify an infinite value for the > maximum 32‑bit value of the type. I had always wondered whether MAXDISP wasn't just some arbitrary larger number; Couldn't it be 1 second as well? Is there any specific reasoning behind? > > ‑‑ > Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03 Dan Drown
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] comments on draft‑mlichvar‑ntp‑… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03 Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] comments on draft‑mlichvar‑… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] comments on draft‑mli… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] comments on draft… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] comments on draft… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] comments on draft… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft‑mlichvar‑ntp‑ntpv5‑03 Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft‑mlichvar‑ntp‑ntpv5‑03 Steven Sommars
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft‑mlichvar‑ntp‑ntpv5‑03 Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: comments on draft‑mlichvar‑… Ulrich Windl
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: comments on draft‑mlichvar‑… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Danny Mayer
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Dan Drown
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Danny Mayer
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Doug Arnold
- Re: [Ntp] comments on draft-mlichvar-ntp-ntpv5-03… Miroslav Lichvar