Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing
Steve Allen <sla@ucolick.org> Tue, 08 December 2020 16:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing
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On Tue 2020-12-08T10:31:04+0100 Miroslav Lichvar hath writ: > On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 11:27:35PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > The proposed draft has support for the first 4, and offsets > > between some of them. Note that it calls the NTP timescale > > UTC, which it's not. > > How do you suggest it should be called? More generally, I think that names of the time scales in the document all need an introductory explanation of what they mean. Look at monthly issues of BIPM Circular T and it becomes evident that there is no "UTC" which is available in real time. Sources of time which can be used by an NTP server there are only UTC(pick a laboratory) Note in the issues of Circular T that the Bulgarian Institute of Metrology (BIM) has had UTC-UTC(BIM) values around 12 microseconds during the entire year 2020. Nevertheless, UTC(BIM) is the legal time in Bulgaria, and devices in Bulgaria might be constrained by regulations that require they use UTC(BIM) rather than another UTC which is in better agreement with the rest of the world. The draft does not mention the source or authority for the values of UTC, UT1, TAI which are provided by NTP. The draft almost certainly cannot specify particular sources of time values, and in the case of TAI there can be no source because TAI is not defined until next month when Circular T is published for this month. The draft should include definitions for UTC, TAI, UT1 as used by NTP. At least for the case of TAI (but maybe for the other time scales also) the draft should include explicit text indicating that in the context of NTP those terms are used in a generic sense that does not specify how the values of time from NTP are related to the actual authoritative sources of those time scales. -- Steve Allen <sla@ucolick.org> WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt +250 m
- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Kurt Roeckx
- [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Steve Allen
- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Steve Allen
- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leapseconds and sme… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leapseconds and… Kurt Roeckx
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- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Timescales, leapseconds and smearing Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leapseconds and… Kurt Roeckx
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- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leaps… Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leaps… Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leaps… Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leaps… Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leaps… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Timescales, leaps… Ulrich Windl