Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Public NTP servers already responds to NTPv5
Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> Tue, 01 December 2020 21:45 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Public NTP servers already responds to NTPv5
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Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de said: > IMHO a v4 server should _never_ answer a packet version it does not know > about. I know you cannot change the past, however. If a v4 server gets a v5 request, it could respond with a v4 reply. That's the best it can do. That might simplify the transition. A client doesn't have to know if the server it is going to talk to is v5 or v4. The first assumption is that the mode and version fields stay in the same place so a server can figure out that it is a v5 request. It also assumes that the v4 servers planned ahead for something like that. For the pool where most systems are reasonably well attended it may be possible to retrofit v4 servers that don't get updated to v5. Or we could split the pool into v4 and v5. If a v5 client gets a v4 response, it could process it. That's assuming there is enough overlap between v4 and v5 fundamental concepts so that the old response has enough data to be useful. If the v4 packet format is different from v5, the above requires extra code. If the packet format is very close, the extra code could be small. At worst it is 2x. The server side is only a page or two so 2x isn't unreasonable. I think the client side is similar but I haven't looked as carefully 30% of the traffic to a pool server is v3. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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- Re: [Ntp] Public NTP servers already responds to … Miroslav Lichvar
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- Re: [Ntp] Public NTP servers already responds to … Kurt Roeckx
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- Re: [Ntp] Public NTP servers already responds to … Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Public NTP servers already responds to … g16
- Re: [Ntp] Public NTP servers already responds to … Danny Mayer
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- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Public NTP servers already … Ulrich Windl
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- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Public NTP servers alre… Hal Murray
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- [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: Public NTP server… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Public NTP servers alre… Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Public NTP servers already responds to … Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: Public NTP server… Ulrich Windl
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- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Public NTP servers alre… Hal Murray
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