Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - call for review

Emmanuel Lochin <emmanuel.lochin@isae-supaero.fr> Wed, 14 November 2018 06:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - call for review
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Hi Marie-Jo, all,

Following one of your request, we (Muriel, I and others) did the work in 
2013 to reference NC papers as the one below. It was expected to store 
(and update) the list over a wiki page. May be this will be a good thing 
for newcomers in the group to have this list.

EL

Le 14/11/2018 à 04:28, Marie-Jose Montpetit a écrit :

> Yes this is a study done a few years ago.
>
> Marie-José Montpetit
> marie@mjmontpetit.com
> mariejo@mit.edu
>
>> On Nov 13, 2018, at 6:35 PM, Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Likely relevant to this draft:
>>
>>
>> Can network coding bridge the digital divide in the Pacific?, Spiedel et al.,
>> International Symposium on Network Coding (NetCod), Sydney, June 2015.
>>
>>
>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1506.01048
>> http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/NETCOD.2015.7176795
>> https://internetnz.nz/sites/default/files/IR201404%20-%20University%20of%20Auckland%20-%20FINAL%20REPORT%20April%202015.pdf
>> https://conference.apnic.net/data/41/apricot-talk_1451964216_1456023873.pdf
>>
>> My take from years of using a very large number of TCP accelerators across satellite
>> links is that:
>>
>> - the performance benefits from the local file/stream/chunk/'object' rapid fetch
>>   from Internet side and cached delivery that they offer for the satellite link
>>   will far outweigh benefits of network coding across the path and its virtual
>>   'erasure channel' for responsiveness, but that's hard to see from a throughput
>>   graph.
>>
>>
>> - the over-satellite-link FEC feature offered is rarely that useful in practice,
>>   as channel coding makes it largely redundant. If the PEP accelerator FEC becomes
>>
>>   useful, the channel coding needs to be adjusted for the SNR, and that's often
>>
>>   a local ACM problem, e.g. heavy rain fade at Ka-band, which the O3b example used
>>   in the paper suffers from.
>>
>> - there's a whole bunch of tuning of traffic for the offered satellite link
>>   capacity (QoS, prioritisation, shaping, etc) brought to the table by PEPs
>>   that network coding cannot consider. Sometimes this gets called 'Orchestration',
>>   though that means different things to different communities.
>>
>>
>> oh, draft typo: writting->writing. Haven't had the time to reread
>> and think about the whole draft revision yet.
>>
>> L.
>>
>> Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood
>>
>>
>>
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