Re: [openpgp] To bind or not to bind

Andrew Gallagher <andrewg@andrewg.com> Wed, 27 March 2024 11:22 UTC

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On 27 Mar 2024, at 11:03, Justus Winter <justus@sequoia-pgp.org> wrote:
> 
> I could also add a PQC encryption subkey to my *existing* v4 key.
> In this case, I think it is not unreasonable to expect it to continue to
> work with PGPy (or GopenPGPv2), but it does not.

I think this is a valid concern, however the impact is highly dependent on how many deployed clients rely on these libs. If Proton and Thunderbird were able to migrate themselves within a reasonable timeframe, what would be left outstanding? Are we getting worked up over something that has a relatively straightforward fix?

A