Re: [openpgp] To bind or not to bind

Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> Sat, 23 March 2024 03:59 UTC

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From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>
To: Justus Winter <justus@sequoia-pgp.org>, Aron Wussler <aron@wussler.it>, "openpgp@ietf.org" <openpgp@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] To bind or not to bind
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On Fri 2024-03-22 19:19:53 +0100, Justus Winter wrote:
>>  (2) Whether PQC encryption algorithms can be used only with SEIPDv2
>
> No, don't bind PQC encryption to SEIPDv2.  It should be possible to have
> a "PKESKv3(classical) PKESKv6(PQC) SEIPDv1" message:

I don't think this packet sequence is correct.  In particular, the PKESK
version is bound to the following SEIPD version, *not* to the key
version.

In this case, i believe the right outcome would be:

   PKESKv3(classical) PKESKv3(PQC) SEIPDv1

see 
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-openpgp-crypto-refresh-13.html#section-10.3.2.1-2
for more details.

        --dkg