Re: [openpgp] "OpenPGP Simple"
Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Tue, 17 March 2015 07:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] "OpenPGP Simple"
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I have repeatedly found it useful, even in recent times, to cut/paste ASCII-armored messages on my mobile. Am I a Neanderthal? On Mar 17, 2015 3:05 PM, "Peter Gutmann" <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote: > Jon Callas <jon@callas.org> writes: > > >Certainly the ASCII Armor checksum is something that could go, since we > don't > >need to worry so much about modem line noise. :-) But you have to know > enough > >to ignore it. > > It's not just the checksum, the entire ASCII armoring should have been > discarded years, no decades, ago. The whole thing was originally > implemented > because facilities like FidoNet and Usenet didn't handle binary messages, > and > the checksum was because things like 2400bps modems (pre-MNP) on the DOS > PCs > that PGP 1 was written for wouldn't cancel out line noise, so it was > useful to > check for inadvertent message corruption before you warned about invalid > signatures. > > The MIME standard (going back to RFC 1341) is over 20 years old and pretty > much everything supports it, but PGP persists with something from even > earlier > (PEM, from 1987, that's nearly 30 years ago). It's not just "a museum of > 1990s crypto" (thanks to Matthew Green for the great quote), it's also a > museum of 1980s and 1990s everything-else. The entire discussion of "ASCII > armour" should have been replaced with "use a mechanism like MIME" years > ago. > > (Oh, and by "MIME" I mean proper use of MIME, not "wrap PGP-PEM in MIME > headers and pretend it's MIME", RFC 2015/3156). > > Peter. > _______________________________________________ > openpgp mailing list > openpgp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp >
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